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RIP Joe Kadenge
newfarer
#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 6:17:32 AM
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Impunity wrote:
essyk wrote:
2012 wrote:
Pray May he rest in peace. He was my friend and cab driver for many years.


in hurlingham?
May he rip.
If you make it through jun- Aug thank God.
I read here that nature has a way of taking out the aged population.
God see us through. Pray


I didn't know you are aged.
Thanks though.

anything above 35 isn't youth anymore.she is right . anyone who has mentioned or heard kadenge na mpira is definitely of age.
punda amecheka
sparkly
#22 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 9:47:19 AM
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[quote=Bigchick]We have sat down as a family. We have also estimated the funeral expenses and it comes to KSh 5 million from mortuary to transport of the body to rural home," family spokesman Chris Mbwamba said on Tuesday, July 9. Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/3...MPKk3bTxTB3zzNWI#309896[/quote]


Peculiar habits of Kenyans. They see you struggle with poverty and disease but want to spend 5m on you after you die.
Life is short. Live passionately.
kaka2za
#23 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 4:49:33 PM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 3,472
Location: Gwitu
sparkly wrote:
[quote=Bigchick]We have sat down as a family. We have also estimated the funeral expenses and it comes to KSh 5 million from mortuary to transport of the body to rural home," family spokesman Chris Mbwamba said on Tuesday, July 9. Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/3...MPKk3bTxTB3zzNWI#309896[/quote]


Peculiar habits of Kenyans. They see you struggle with poverty and disease but want to spend 5m on you after you die.


And billionaire Bob Collymore spent Zilch on his cremation. I listened to his last interview with Jeff and he was concerned about funeral costs in UK.
gk
#24 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 6:39:57 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 5/17/2008
Posts: 391
newfarer wrote:
Impunity wrote:
essyk wrote:
2012 wrote:
Pray May he rest in peace. He was my friend and cab driver for many years.


in hurlingham?
May he rip.
If you make it through jun- Aug thank God.
I read here that nature has a way of taking out the aged population.
God see us through. Pray


I didn't know you are aged.
Thanks though.

anything above 35 isn't youth anymore.she is right . anyone who has mentioned or heard kadenge na mpira is definitely of age.


I think some people confuse father and son:Joe and Francis.
Alba
#25 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 9:49:35 PM
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Joined: 12/27/2012
Posts: 2,255
Location: Bandalungwa
The likes of Kadenge ended up living in poverty largely due to exploitation. In those days Moi and Jomo would award cash prices to sports achievers. But the money would disappear into the pockets of officials before it ever made it to the intended recipient. Players were often forbidden from endorsements and prize money unless sports bigwigs got a cut.

Things have improved but slightly.
Even recently at the 2016 Olympics, NOCK officials went home with millions of Ksh each while the team went without uniforms, lived in a squalid hotel and technical staff had to beg for food.
hardwood
#26 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:10:43 PM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 8,920
Location: Montevideo, Uruguay
newfarer wrote:
Impunity wrote:
essyk wrote:
2012 wrote:
Pray May he rest in peace. He was my friend and cab driver for many years.


in hurlingham?
May he rip.
If you make it through jun- Aug thank God.
I read here that nature has a way of taking out the aged population.
God see us through. Pray


I didn't know you are aged.
Thanks though.

anything above 35 isn't youth anymore.she is right . anyone who has mentioned or heard kadenge na mpira is definitely of age.


Kadenge died aged 84 yrs meaning he was born in 1935. He must have been at his prime playing up to 35yrs. So does this mean wazuans were watching him play in 1970?
Ecclesiastes 9:7 So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this.
kaka2za
#27 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:56:41 PM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 3,472
Location: Gwitu
hardwood wrote:
newfarer wrote:
Impunity wrote:
essyk wrote:
2012 wrote:
Pray May he rest in peace. He was my friend and cab driver for many years.


in hurlingham?
May he rip.
If you make it through jun- Aug thank God.
I read here that nature has a way of taking out the aged population.
God see us through. Pray


I didn't know you are aged.
Thanks though.

anything above 35 isn't youth anymore.she is right . anyone who has mentioned or heard kadenge na mpira is definitely of age.


Kadenge died aged 84 yrs meaning he was born in 1935. He must have been at his prime playing up to 35yrs. So does this mean wazuans were watching him play in 1970?


No wazuan saw Joe Kadenge play. A few saw his son Francis play for AFC in the 1980s and most must have seen his other sons including Oscar in late 90s.
Bigchick
#28 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:59:33 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/8/2013
Posts: 3,648
Location: At Large.
hardwood wrote:
newfarer wrote:
Impunity wrote:
essyk wrote:
2012 wrote:
Pray May he rest in peace. He was my friend and cab driver for many years.


in hurlingham?
May he rip.
If you make it through jun- Aug thank God.
I read here that nature has a way of taking out the aged population.
God see us through. Pray


I didn't know you are aged.
Thanks though.

anything above 35 isn't youth anymore.she is right . anyone who has mentioned or heard kadenge na mpira is definitely of age.


Kadenge died aged 84 yrs meaning he was born in 1935. He must have been at his prime playing up to 35yrs. So does this mean wazuans were watching him play in 1970?


No most did not see him play,but he was a household name and footbalk/soccer was referred to as Kadenge na Mpira.

If I remember well there was an advert for sawa ya misuli done on radio with Leonard Mambo Mbotelas voice over........
Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
Fyatu
#29 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 8:27:13 AM
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Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,467
Location: Nakuru
Alba wrote:
The likes of Kadenge ended up living in poverty largely due to exploitation. In those days Moi and Jomo would award cash prices to sports achievers. But the money would disappear into the pockets of officials before it ever made it to the intended recipient. Players were often forbidden from endorsements and prize money unless sports bigwigs got a cut.

Things have improved but slightly.
Even recently at the 2016 Olympics, NOCK officials went home with millions of Ksh each while the team went without uniforms, lived in a squalid hotel and technical staff had to beg for food.



Joe Kadenge served as Team manager of Harambee stars in the late 80's when Arap Moi would perform the ritual of pepeta-ing the ball 10 times before the start of Harambee stars matches and then lift his rungu to cheering masses. This implies that he was one of the officials that exploited akina Peter Dawo, Sammy Onyango Jogoo, George Zangi Okello, David Kamongo Ochieng etc...If you look at those photos, you will see he was mtu round fupi an indicator that life was good.

What Kenya should do is educate these sportspeople, actors, musician how to make hay while the sun shines ...they should be made to understand early in their careers that Kenyan taxpayers owe them nothing because every Kenyan i believe is trying to make ends meet and it is not easy.

Hii culture ya reparations should end immediately otherwise the likes of Mbusi-deh, Mbonokoh-deh and Githeri-man and any other random man or woman might blame my kids for not taking care of them in the future just because they coined the term "Kuhololiwa" or "Kadenge na mpira" or played for Harambee stars that never won any notable honors etc. Afterall, Kadenge has never lifted AFCON or major football cup in Africa(CECAFA sio okombe). The only people who have brought glory are Shujaa(kenya 7's),Gor Mahia, Eliud Kipchoge and a host of other athletes who have broken world records and dominated races such as the 3000m steeplechase to the extent of it known as the "Kenyan race" worldwide.

Kenya must lift the bar of what national glory is, and define clearly with no uncertain terms who a national hero is. Again, i reiterate my respect for the man for being an elder and his contribution in nation building just as i respect wazuans who wake up early everyday to build the nation and create employment for two or three Kenyans hapa na pale etc.

Ni hayo tu kwa sasa.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
kaka2za
#30 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:33:32 AM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 3,472
Location: Gwitu
Fyatu wrote:
Alba wrote:
The likes of Kadenge ended up living in poverty largely due to exploitation. In those days Moi and Jomo would award cash prices to sports achievers. But the money would disappear into the pockets of officials before it ever made it to the intended recipient. Players were often forbidden from endorsements and prize money unless sports bigwigs got a cut.

Things have improved but slightly.
Even recently at the 2016 Olympics, NOCK officials went home with millions of Ksh each while the team went without uniforms, lived in a squalid hotel and technical staff had to beg for food.



Joe Kadenge served as Team manager of Harambee stars in the late 80's when Arap Moi would perform the ritual of pepeta-ing the ball 10 times before the start of Harambee stars matches and then lift his rungu to cheering masses. This implies that he was one of the officials that exploited akina Peter Dawo, Sammy Onyango Jogoo, George Zangi Okello, David Kamongo Ochieng etc...If you look at those photos, you will see he was mtu round fupi an indicator that life was good.

What Kenya should do is educate these sportspeople, actors, musician how to make hay while the sun shines ...they should be made to understand early in their careers that Kenyan taxpayers owe them nothing because every Kenyan i believe is trying to make ends meet and it is not easy.

Hii culture ya reparations should end immediately otherwise the likes of Mbusi-deh, Mbonokoh-deh and Githeri-man and any other random man or woman might blame my kids for not taking care of them in the future just because they coined the term "Kuhololiwa" or "Kadenge na mpira" or played for Harambee stars that never won any notable honors etc. Afterall, Kadenge has never lifted AFCON or major football cup in Africa(CECAFA sio okombe). The only people who have brought glory are Shujaa(kenya 7's),Gor Mahia, Eliud Kipchoge and a host of other athletes who have broken world records and dominated races such as the 3000m steeplechase to the extent of it known as the "Kenyan race" worldwide.

Kenya must lift the bar of what national glory is, and define clearly with no uncertain terms who a national hero is. Again, i reiterate my respect for the man for being an elder and his contribution in nation building just as i respect wazuans who wake up early everyday to build the nation and create employment for two or three Kenyans hapa na pale etc.

Ni hayo tu kwa sasa.


Kadenge was not poor by Kenya standards. He had a family and lived to old age. Others have not been so lucky.Former Tusker striker Patrick Nachok was found dead on the streets on August 3, 2002. His body was taken to Nairobi City Mortuary where it stayed unclaimed for over a month.Davies Oyiela and Henry Omondi of AFC also died young. Henry omondi's body was transported in a tipper lorry from Nairobi to Western Kenya.Ken Simuyu who scored against Nigeria in late 90s also died of illicit drink complications.
2012
#31 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:46:18 AM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,400
Location: Nairobi
kaka2za wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Alba wrote:
The likes of Kadenge ended up living in poverty largely due to exploitation. In those days Moi and Jomo would award cash prices to sports achievers. But the money would disappear into the pockets of officials before it ever made it to the intended recipient. Players were often forbidden from endorsements and prize money unless sports bigwigs got a cut.

Things have improved but slightly.
Even recently at the 2016 Olympics, NOCK officials went home with millions of Ksh each while the team went without uniforms, lived in a squalid hotel and technical staff had to beg for food.



Joe Kadenge served as Team manager of Harambee stars in the late 80's when Arap Moi would perform the ritual of pepeta-ing the ball 10 times before the start of Harambee stars matches and then lift his rungu to cheering masses. This implies that he was one of the officials that exploited akina Peter Dawo, Sammy Onyango Jogoo, George Zangi Okello, David Kamongo Ochieng etc...If you look at those photos, you will see he was mtu round fupi an indicator that life was good.

What Kenya should do is educate these sportspeople, actors, musician how to make hay while the sun shines ...they should be made to understand early in their careers that Kenyan taxpayers owe them nothing because every Kenyan i believe is trying to make ends meet and it is not easy.

Hii culture ya reparations should end immediately otherwise the likes of Mbusi-deh, Mbonokoh-deh and Githeri-man and any other random man or woman might blame my kids for not taking care of them in the future just because they coined the term "Kuhololiwa" or "Kadenge na mpira" or played for Harambee stars that never won any notable honors etc. Afterall, Kadenge has never lifted AFCON or major football cup in Africa(CECAFA sio okombe). The only people who have brought glory are Shujaa(kenya 7's),Gor Mahia, Eliud Kipchoge and a host of other athletes who have broken world records and dominated races such as the 3000m steeplechase to the extent of it known as the "Kenyan race" worldwide.

Kenya must lift the bar of what national glory is, and define clearly with no uncertain terms who a national hero is. Again, i reiterate my respect for the man for being an elder and his contribution in nation building just as i respect wazuans who wake up early everyday to build the nation and create employment for two or three Kenyans hapa na pale etc.

Ni hayo tu kwa sasa.


Kadenge was not poor by Kenya standards. He had a family and lived to old age. Others have not been so lucky.Former Tusker striker Patrick Nachok was found dead on the streets on August 3, 2002. His body was taken to Nairobi City Mortuary where it stayed unclaimed for over a month.Davies Oyiela and Henry Omondi of AFC also died young. Henry omondi's body was transported in a tipper lorry from Nairobi to Western Kenya.Ken Simuyu who scored against Nigeria in late 90s also died of illicit drink complications.


Team sports in Kenya are career disasters. If you are Kenyan, you are best in individual sports or you get lucky and get picked by a team in a foreign league like Wanyama. Kenya government has too many issues to care for youth and sports.

Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground. Rosa Parks
Alba
#32 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:35:42 PM
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Joined: 12/27/2012
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Location: Bandalungwa
Fyatu wrote:


Joe Kadenge served as Team manager of Harambee stars in the late 80's when Arap Moi would perform the ritual of pepeta-ing the ball 10 times before the start of Harambee stars matches and then lift his rungu to cheering masses. This implies that he was one of the officials that exploited akina Peter Dawo, Sammy Onyango Jogoo, George Zangi Okello, David Kamongo Ochieng etc...If you look at those photos, you will see he was mtu round fupi an indicator that life was good.

What Kenya should do is educate these sportspeople, actors, musician how to make hay while the sun shines ...they should be made to understand early in their careers that Kenyan taxpayers owe them nothing because every Kenyan i believe is trying to make ends meet and it is not easy.

Hii culture ya reparations should end immediately otherwise the likes of Mbusi-deh, Mbonokoh-deh and Githeri-man and any other random man or woman might blame my kids for not taking care of them in the future just because they coined the term "Kuhololiwa" or "Kadenge na mpira" or played for Harambee stars that never won any notable honors etc. Afterall, Kadenge has never lifted AFCON or major football cup in Africa(CECAFA sio okombe). The only people who have brought glory are Shujaa(kenya 7's),Gor Mahia, Eliud Kipchoge and a host of other athletes who have broken world records and dominated races such as the 3000m steeplechase to the extent of it known as the "Kenyan race" worldwide.

Kenya must lift the bar of what national glory is, and define clearly with no uncertain terms who a national hero is. Again, i reiterate my respect for the man for being an elder and his contribution in nation building just as i respect wazuans who wake up early everyday to build the nation and create employment for two or three Kenyans hapa na pale etc.

Ni hayo tu kwa sasa.


Your post misrepresent Kadenge and did not address the issue I raised.

In fact technical bench officials are the most exploited group. Ask anyone who has been coach or team manager in Kenya and they will tell you that they are still owed money. This includes big coaches like Amrouche. The people who pocket the money are the federation and ministry officials.

For example, at the Olympics, technical staff like Anzrah who coincidentally is Kadenges brother had to beg for food while Arap Soi, the NOCK chairman pocketed millions of sponsorship money from Nike.

I'm not asking for reparations. I'm asking that we stop exploiting players. Instead invest the money in developing players and providing them infrastructure and paying players what they deserve.

In the 1980s for example, Abbas had an endorsement deal with Orbitsports. He had to forfeit a cut to federation officials.

I agree that Kadenge is a tad overrated. In terms of achievement, Mulamba, Ayoyi, Dawo Oliech, Ogolla, Abbas ...... achieved far more for the country.
Fyatu
#33 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:42:27 PM
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Alba wrote:
Fyatu wrote:


Joe Kadenge served as Team manager of Harambee stars in the late 80's when Arap Moi would perform the ritual of pepeta-ing the ball 10 times before the start of Harambee stars matches and then lift his rungu to cheering masses. This implies that he was one of the officials that exploited akina Peter Dawo, Sammy Onyango Jogoo, George Zangi Okello, David Kamongo Ochieng etc...If you look at those photos, you will see he was mtu round fupi an indicator that life was good.

What Kenya should do is educate these sportspeople, actors, musician how to make hay while the sun shines ...they should be made to understand early in their careers that Kenyan taxpayers owe them nothing because every Kenyan i believe is trying to make ends meet and it is not easy.

Hii culture ya reparations should end immediately otherwise the likes of Mbusi-deh, Mbonokoh-deh and Githeri-man and any other random man or woman might blame my kids for not taking care of them in the future just because they coined the term "Kuhololiwa" or "Kadenge na mpira" or played for Harambee stars that never won any notable honors etc. Afterall, Kadenge has never lifted AFCON or major football cup in Africa(CECAFA sio okombe). The only people who have brought glory are Shujaa(kenya 7's),Gor Mahia, Eliud Kipchoge and a host of other athletes who have broken world records and dominated races such as the 3000m steeplechase to the extent of it known as the "Kenyan race" worldwide.

Kenya must lift the bar of what national glory is, and define clearly with no uncertain terms who a national hero is. Again, i reiterate my respect for the man for being an elder and his contribution in nation building just as i respect wazuans who wake up early everyday to build the nation and create employment for two or three Kenyans hapa na pale etc.

Ni hayo tu kwa sasa.


Your post misrepresent Kadenge and did not address the issue I raised.

In fact technical bench officials are the most exploited group. Ask anyone who has been coach or team manager in Kenya and they will tell you that they are still owed money. This includes big coaches like Amrouche. The people who pocket the money are the federation and ministry officials.

For example, at the Olympics, technical staff like Anzrah who coincidentally is Kadenges brother had to beg for food while Arap Soi pocketed millions of sponsorship money from Nike.

I'm not asking for reparations. I'm asking that we stop exploiting players. Instead invest the money in developing players and providing them infrastructure and paying players what they deserve.

In the 1980s for example, Abbas had an endorsement deal with Orbitsports. He had to forfeit a cut to federation officials.

I agree that Kadenge is a tad overrated. In terms of achievement, Mulamba, Ayoyi, Dawo Oliech, Ogolla, Abbas ...... achieved far more for the country.


Fair enough...i had missed your point a big one
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Alba
#34 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:54:41 PM
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2012 wrote:
[quote=kaka2za]

[quote=Fyatu]

Team sports in Kenya are career disasters. If you are Kenyan, you are best in individual sports or you get lucky and get picked by a team in a foreign league like Wanyama. Kenya government has too many issues to care for youth and sports.


Government is largely to blame. They are the ones who condone corruption and they are the ones who always appoint incompetent sports ministers like Echesa. The mentality is that sports are just a joke so even illiterate people can be appointed

Government need not fund sports. There is enough sponsorship money. But many sponsors like safaricom and sportpesa have withdrawn sponsorship due to official corruption.

Nike alone sponsored NOCK to the tune of $5.7 million which was Ksh 587 million. And where are the Olympic development programs? This money could be used to train future Olympians while they are still in secondary school.

Why does the sports minister allow kina Arap Soi to pocket this money?
Sports minister wario was actually furious with a journalist who asked him questions about the Rio scandal . That's what happens when you appoint a sport minister who doesn't even care about sports
Yliett
#35 Posted : Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:04:41 PM
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Rest in peace, legendary Joe. He was the greatest football player Kenia ever had! Truly an inspirational person. He will forewer stay in our hearts and midns
mkenyan
#36 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:22:44 PM
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Yliett wrote:
Rest in peace, legendary Joe. He was the greatest football player Kenia ever had! Truly an inspirational person. He will forewer stay in our hearts and midns

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