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Ericsson
#261 Posted : Wednesday, November 06, 2019 9:38:40 AM
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kawi254 wrote:
KenGen seeking a PPP 140MW Olkaria geothermal project on Build Own Operate Transfer (BOOT) basis.

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PPP in Kenya is tough.
This one may not see light of the day
Angelica _ann
#262 Posted : Wednesday, November 06, 2019 9:41:32 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
KenGen seeking a PPP 140MW Olkaria geothermal project on Build Own Operate Transfer (BOOT) basis.

Link


PPP in Kenya is tough.
This one may not see light of the day


High cost of doing business, bureaucracy and corruption.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
KaunganaDoDo
#263 Posted : Wednesday, November 06, 2019 10:18:27 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
KenGen seeking a PPP 140MW Olkaria geothermal project on Build Own Operate Transfer (BOOT) basis.

Link


PPP in Kenya is tough.
This one may not see light of the day


It has been in the pipeline for long. it will actually come. The issue is whether it will come when the country needs it or not. and when it comes, it will come at what price. The earliest i can see it is 2023/24
kawi254
#264 Posted : Wednesday, November 06, 2019 10:24:06 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
KenGen seeking a PPP 140MW Olkaria geothermal project on Build Own Operate Transfer (BOOT) basis.

Link


PPP in Kenya is tough.
This one may not see light of the day


High cost of doing business, bureaucracy and corruption.



In a similar 2015 PPP deal KenGen had awarded RentCo [Lantech+Toshiba] a KES 52B geothermal deal but the loser Russian firm OJSC Power Machines [+Transcentury,Civicon] appealed resulting in cancellation of the deal...may be due to corruption allegations in the deal KenGen parked it and did not re-advertise....until now.
Extraterrestrial
#265 Posted : Thursday, November 07, 2019 11:25:05 AM
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But why have they opted for a PPP when they could operate and own the plant fully?
FUNKY
#266 Posted : Thursday, November 07, 2019 3:08:03 PM
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Ericsson
#267 Posted : Thursday, November 07, 2019 4:01:57 PM
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FUNKY wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/marketnews/KenGen-to-cede-75pc-in-geothermal-venture/3815534-5340184-view-asAMP-88fsgxz/index.html?__twitter_impression=true


PR
Kenya power is no longer signing PPA agreements
kawi254
#268 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2019 8:04:08 AM
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Any white smoke on Auditor General's appointment?

What if the Auditor General is not appointed by end month?
sparkly
#269 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:41:10 AM
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Extraterrestrial wrote:
But why have they opted for a PPP when they could operate and own the plant fully?


Too much debt on the balance sheet.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Angelica _ann
#270 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2019 12:06:12 PM
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kawi254 wrote:
Any white smoke on Auditor General's appointment?

What if the Auditor General is not appointed by end month?


The end month date can always be extended, remember you are dealing with CMA, watu ni kujuana!!!! smile smile smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Metch
#271 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2019 4:21:19 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
Any white smoke on Auditor General's appointment?

What if the Auditor General is not appointed by end month?


The end month date can always be extended, remember you are dealing with CMA, watu ni kujuana!!!! smile smile smile


This country is run by bandits!
We may see results next year. Remember the Auditor general will not get into office and sign everything overnight.
Start!
VituVingiSana
#272 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:22:58 PM
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Metch wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
Any white smoke on Auditor General's appointment?

What if the Auditor General is not appointed by end month?


The end month date can always be extended, remember you are dealing with CMA, watu ni kujuana!!!! smile smile smile


This country is run by bandits!
We may see results next year. Remember the Auditor general will not get into office and sign everything overnight.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly See why I am not a fan of GoK firms!
Of course, Kenya Re will also face the same problem in a few months!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#273 Posted : Thursday, November 14, 2019 7:38:10 AM
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Metch wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
Any white smoke on Auditor General's appointment?

What if the Auditor General is not appointed by end month?


The end month date can always be extended, remember you are dealing with CMA, watu ni kujuana!!!! smile smile smile


This country is run by bandits!
We may see results next year. Remember the Auditor general will not get into office and sign everything overnight.



Kengen should release the results as unaudited. Investors in listed companes need assurance that their investments are not subject to political processes.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Ebenyo
#274 Posted : Thursday, November 14, 2019 7:56:29 AM
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Metch wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
Any white smoke on Auditor General's appointment?

What if the Auditor General is not appointed by end month?


The end month date can always be extended, remember you are dealing with CMA, watu ni kujuana!!!! smile smile smile


This country is run by bandits!
We may see results next year. Remember the Auditor general will not get into office and sign everything overnight.




Kukuwa shareholder na GOK ni stress.Apart from kcb and safaricom where there ownership is small,keep off where they hold controlling stake.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
FUNKY
#275 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2019 12:03:26 PM
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https://www.nation.co.ke...9378-14e81ys/index.html

Kengen issuing a special dividend is highly possible
sparkly
#276 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2019 2:53:41 PM
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FUNKY wrote:
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Treasury-eyes-parastatals-to-ease-biting-cash-crunch/1056-5349378-14e81ys/index.html

Kengen issuing a special dividend is highly possible



How much idle cash does Kengen have? We the shareholders had to double our investment in the company to shore up the reserves.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Ericsson
#277 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2019 5:18:30 PM
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sparkly wrote:
FUNKY wrote:
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Treasury-eyes-parastatals-to-ease-biting-cash-crunch/1056-5349378-14e81ys/index.html

Kengen issuing a special dividend is highly possible



How much idle cash does Kengen have? We the shareholders had to double our investment in the company to shore up the reserves.


I wonder,probably next year.
They retired the PIBO last month by paying the last principal payment and interest.
VituVingiSana
#278 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2019 7:00:52 PM
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sparkly wrote:
FUNKY wrote:
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Treasury-eyes-parastatals-to-ease-biting-cash-crunch/1056-5349378-14e81ys/index.html

Kengen issuing a special dividend is highly possible


How much idle cash does Kengen have? We the shareholders had to double our investment in the company to shore up the reserves.
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Exactly!
Which "idle cash" when there are huge loans to pay?

Also KE needs more baseload power and KenGen should reinvest funds in viable projects. These are pricey. They take a long time to come online.

If KPLC falters in making timely payments then KenGen needs cash to pay its obilgations.

Going into 2020, I have moved to cash-rich firms or low debt:equity firms.
No more ARMs. Even my sole GoK holding is KenRe with lots of cash.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Angelica _ann
#279 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2019 7:57:07 PM
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Even if it was to pay special dividend now, the drought that is likely to follow will be worse than Sahara as we head to election 2022.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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