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mpobiz
#2101 Posted : Sunday, June 28, 2020 12:29:49 PM
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Let's also discuss other pandemics that have been brought by the imaginary corona pandemic.

Depression pandemic in the populous. Millions of Kenyans are now suffering from depression. Most because of lack of income . The rich are suffering because of the fear of instant death if infected. I know of a prominent lawyer who only steps out of his house to drive around town alone just to get the feeling of the outdoors and never meets anyone. The only contact is phone calls. I learned that when he passes a very lucrative deal because he feared meetings. I have no idea of how he interacts with his immediate family.
I read somewhere that teaching is the hardest hit profession followed by lawyers.
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
kaka2za
#2102 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 9:19:59 AM
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This debate is still going on?
Where I live,hardly any one mentions Corona. We moved on to other problems.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Bigchick
#2103 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 10:37:59 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
This debate is still going on?
Where I live,hardly any one mentions Corona. We moved on to other problems.



Does it mean you dont have Corona where you are or you have adopted and are living comfortably side by side?
Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
kaka2za
#2104 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 1:49:55 PM
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Location: Gwitu
Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
This debate is still going on?
Where I live,hardly any one mentions Corona. We moved on to other problems.



Does it mean you dont have Corona where you are or you have adopted and are living comfortably side by side?


It is definitely there but we decided to live with it.
Initially, people were pretending to wear masks but all done away with now. The last time the minister gave an update was two months ago.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Bigchick
#2105 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 2:07:12 PM
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Joined: 2/8/2013
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Location: At Large.
kaka2za wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
This debate is still going on?
Where I live,hardly any one mentions Corona. We moved on to other problems.



Does it mean you dont have Corona where you are or you have adopted and are living comfortably side by side?


It is definitely there but we decided to live with it.
Initially, people were pretending to wear masks but all done away with now. The last time the minister gave an update was two months ago.


Good to know and citizens are not dropping dead all over?
Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
Pedes
#2106 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 2:11:16 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
Let's also discuss other pandemics that have been brought by the imaginary corona pandemic.

Depression pandemic in the populous. Millions of Kenyans are now suffering from depression. Most because of lack of income . The rich are suffering because of the fear of instant death if infected. I know of a prominent lawyer who only steps out of his house to drive around town alone just to get the feeling of the outdoors and never meets anyone. The only contact is phone calls. I learned that when he passes a very lucrative deal because he feared meetings. I have no idea of how he interacts with his immediate family.
I read somewhere that teaching is the hardest hit profession followed by lawyers.


You had to read that somewhere? Secondly, one lawyer's paranoia or excessive precautions don't qualify to be applied to an entire profession, Courts are working albeit, at a reduced capacity. And lastly, it is not an imaginary pandemic , if it is, then the prominent lawyer is a hypochondriac and Covid 19 is the largest conspiracy ever perpetrated in plain sight.
If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
kaka2za
#2107 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 3:02:33 PM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 3,944
Location: Gwitu
Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
This debate is still going on?
Where I live,hardly any one mentions Corona. We moved on to other problems.



Does it mean you dont have Corona where you are or you have adopted and are living comfortably side by side?


It is definitely there but we decided to live with it.
Initially, people were pretending to wear masks but all done away with now. The last time the minister gave an update was two months ago.


Good to know and citizens are not dropping dead all over?


The last we heard of bodies dropping was in Ecuador.

I live in the part Subsaharan Africa with the highest number of infections yet the mortality rates remain low. People are dying, same way they were dying before Corona.No spike whatsoever.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Bigchick
#2108 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 3:37:46 PM
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Joined: 2/8/2013
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Location: At Large.
kaka2za wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
This debate is still going on?
Where I live,hardly any one mentions Corona. We moved on to other problems.



Does it mean you dont have Corona where you are or you have adopted and are living comfortably side by side?


It is definitely there but we decided to live with it.
Initially, people were pretending to wear masks but all done away with now. The last time the minister gave an update was two months ago.


Good to know and citizens are not dropping dead all over?


The last we heard of bodies dropping was in Ecuador.

I live in the part Subsaharan Africa with the highest number of infections yet the mortality rates remain low. People are dying, same way they were dying before Corona.No spike whatsoever.



Thanks @kaka2za.

My optimism about this pandemic keeps parambulating between high and low.

At some point I am all upbeat that we are good and are fighting the demon very well.The next minute I get scared especially when you hear of someone well known to many has got it and probably gone.There is a Robert Muriithi being talked about in social media who seems to have shocked many as he did not fall in the category of old or had an underlying condition yet he got it from a young guy he was mentoring and in 12 days he was gone)


#letsnotdropourguard.
Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
T-Bag
#2109 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 3:38:32 PM
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Anxiety has hit Parliament after six legislators tested positive to coronavirus.One in ICU

https://www.standardmedi...ty-hospitals-with-virus#
I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
kaka2za
#2110 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 6:11:01 PM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 3,944
Location: Gwitu
Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
This debate is still going on?
Where I live,hardly any one mentions Corona. We moved on to other problems.



Does it mean you dont have Corona where you are or you have adopted and are living comfortably side by side?


It is definitely there but we decided to live with it.
Initially, people were pretending to wear masks but all done away with now. The last time the minister gave an update was two months ago.


Good to know and citizens are not dropping dead all over?


The last we heard of bodies dropping was in Ecuador.

I live in the part Subsaharan Africa with the highest number of infections yet the mortality rates remain low. People are dying, same way they were dying before Corona.No spike whatsoever.



Thanks @kaka2za.

My optimism about this pandemic keeps parambulating between high and low.

At some point I am all upbeat that we are good and are fighting the demon very well.The next minute I get scared especially when you hear of someone well known to many has got it and probably gone.There is a Robert Muriithi being talked about in social media who seems to have shocked many as he did not fall in the category of old or had an underlying condition yet he got it from a young guy he was mentoring and in 12 days he was gone)


#letsnotdropourguard.


Corona is here and Corona kills some people. However, how many Mureithis have died of Malaria, typhoid ,diarhoea, muggings,starvation etc
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Fyatu
#2111 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2020 10:22:58 PM
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Location: Nakuru
kaka2za wrote:
This debate is still going on?
Where I live,hardly any one mentions Corona. We moved on to other problems.



Where i live, people are asking if anyone has ever seen a "mgonjwa wa corona". We are even calling our relatives and friends in Nairobi to ask them if they know of any "mgonjwa wa corona". Reason being Nairobi forms bulk of infections. Our friends and family in Nairobi have also reported never to have seen a "mgonjwa wa corona"...hata wale wa Kibera wanasema hawajawahi ona mgonjwa wa corona despite sensationalism about Kibera and kawangware by MOH taskforce.

The other day, i overheard some youths who run a printing bureau/cyber cafe in my town say that corona just like Huduma number is a hoax and a major scandal.

Today we heard on Tv and radio that there were four cases reported in our locality. We have combed nook and cranny in our village but could not find them. The same happened two days ago when the CAS for health announced that there were two new cases from our hamlet. Elders went homestead to homestead but alas there was none.

Kwa hayo yote, mimi navaa barakoa na kufuata maagizo ya wizara ya afya. I choose to be a fool with corona.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
mpobiz
#2112 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:37:37 AM
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Joined: 8/10/2010
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Fyatu wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
This debate is still going on?
Where I live,hardly any one mentions Corona. We moved on to other problems.



Where i live, people are asking if anyone has ever seen a "mgonjwa wa corona". We are even calling our relatives and friends in Nairobi to ask them if they know of any "mgonjwa wa corona". Reason being Nairobi forms bulk of infections. Our friends and family in Nairobi have also reported never to have seen a "mgonjwa wa corona"...hata wale wa Kibera wanasema hawajawahi ona mgonjwa wa corona despite sensationalism about Kibera and kawangware by MOH taskforce.

The other day, i overheard some youths who run a printing bureau/cyber cafe in my town say that corona just like Huduma number is a hoax and a major scandal.

Today we heard on Tv and radio that there were four cases reported in our locality. We have combed nook and cranny in our village but could not find them. The same happened two days ago when the CAS for health announced that there were two new cases from our hamlet. Elders went homestead to homestead but alas there was none.

Kwa hayo yote, mimi navaa barakoa na kufuata maagizo ya wizara ya afya. I choose to be a fool with corona.



The problem with us and I have pointed it out so many times is that we are importers of everything. This includes ideas of how symptoms of this infection exhibit themselves in our African population. We are all expecting to see persons with nonestop coughs and sneezes and high temperatures.
This is not the case here. Carrier's of this infection are perfectly healthy people..
Let us localize this problem then we get local solutions.
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
Fyatu
#2113 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:46:51 AM
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Joined: 1/20/2011
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mpobiz wrote:



The problem with us and I have pointed it out so many times is that we are importers of everything. This includes ideas of how symptoms of this infection exhibit themselves in our African population. We are all expecting to see persons with nonestop coughs and sneezes and high temperatures.
This is not the case here. Carrier's of this infection are perfectly healthy people..
Let us localize this problem then we get local solutions.



I beg to respectably disagree with you @mpobiz. Lets take malaria for example. The symptoms and the way the disease progresses is universal world over.





Whether you are in China, Burkina Faso or Oceania, malaria has four stages before people sing "luwere Nyasaye amulinde" in your matanga. (mountain people sing...."guthie no muhaka tugathie"...but i digress)

Same can be said for other infectious diseases as TB etc. The common pedestrian/leighmann is asking...... what does a corona patient look like? They want to see one to believe that corona is real.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Bigchick
#2114 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:44:07 AM
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Joined: 2/8/2013
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Fyatu wrote:
mpobiz wrote:



The problem with us and I have pointed it out so many times is that we are importers of everything. This includes ideas of how symptoms of this infection exhibit themselves in our African population. We are all expecting to see persons with nonestop coughs and sneezes and high temperatures.
This is not the case here. Carrier's of this infection are perfectly healthy people..
Let us localize this problem then we get local solutions.



I beg to respectably disagree with you @mpobiz. Lets take malaria for example. The symptoms and the way the disease progresses is universal world over.





Whether you are in China, Burkina Faso or Oceania, malaria has four stages before people sing "luwere Nyasaye amulinde" in your matanga. (mountain people sing...."guthie no muhaka tugathie"...but i digress)

Same can be said for other infectious diseases as TB etc. The common pedestrian/leighmann is asking...... what does a corona patient look like? They want to see one to believe that corona is real.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

You dont have to be respectful to @Mpobiz.Amezoea kutukanwa na @Makales.

That said I agree with you.There are certain basic symptoms that a COVID patient will have and that is why the management guidelines are also Universal.


And like you have said,seeing is believing.But alas parading a victim has its own issues,so we are torn between making it public or not.
Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
mkenyan
#2115 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 2:13:58 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
mpobiz wrote:



The problem with us and I have pointed it out so many times is that we are importers of everything. This includes ideas of how symptoms of this infection exhibit themselves in our African population. We are all expecting to see persons with nonestop coughs and sneezes and high temperatures.
This is not the case here. Carrier's of this infection are perfectly healthy people..
Let us localize this problem then we get local solutions.



I beg to respectably disagree with you @mpobiz. Lets take malaria for example. The symptoms and the way the disease progresses is universal world over.





Whether you are in China, Burkina Faso or Oceania, malaria has four stages before people sing "luwere Nyasaye amulinde" in your matanga. (mountain people sing...."guthie no muhaka tugathie"...but i digress)

Same can be said for other infectious diseases as TB etc. The common pedestrian/leighmann is asking...... what does a corona patient look like? They want to see one to believe that corona is real.

Laughing out loudly
mpobiz
#2116 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 3:56:25 PM
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Joined: 8/10/2010
Posts: 2,027
Bigchick wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
mpobiz wrote:



The problem with us and I have pointed it out so many times is that we are importers of everything. This includes ideas of how symptoms of this infection exhibit themselves in our African population. We are all expecting to see persons with nonestop coughs and sneezes and high temperatures.
This is not the case here. Carrier's of this infection are perfectly healthy people..
Let us localize this problem then we get local solutions.



I beg to respectably disagree with you @mpobiz. Lets take malaria for example. The symptoms and the way the disease progresses is universal world over.





Whether you are in China, Burkina Faso or Oceania, malaria has four stages before people sing "luwere Nyasaye amulinde" in your matanga. (mountain people sing...."guthie no muhaka tugathie"...but i digress)

Same can be said for other infectious diseases as TB etc. The common pedestrian/leighmann is asking...... what does a corona patient look like? They want to see one to believe that corona is real.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

You dont have to be respectful to @Mpobiz.Amezoea kutukanwa na @Makales.

That said I agree with you.There are certain basic symptoms that a COVID patient will have and that is why the management guidelines are also Universal.


And like you have said,seeing is believing.But alas parading a victim has its own issues,so we are torn between making it public or not.


@makeles alianza kucatch mafeelings when i called his endless theories myths and legends.
I have been a champion of herd immunity from day 1. Now your own goverment is just falling short of declaring the same.
First let's not label people with covid as victims because the healing rate is 99%
The reason people are eager to see persons with covid is because of the bogeyman stories the likes of masukuma are telling us. Just tell the people corona ni homa
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
sqft
#2117 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 4:07:41 PM
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masukuma
#2118 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:25:52 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
mpobiz wrote:



The problem with us and I have pointed it out so many times is that we are importers of everything. This includes ideas of how symptoms of this infection exhibit themselves in our African population. We are all expecting to see persons with nonestop coughs and sneezes and high temperatures.
This is not the case here. Carrier's of this infection are perfectly healthy people..
Let us localize this problem then we get local solutions.



I beg to respectably disagree with you @mpobiz. Lets take malaria for example. The symptoms and the way the disease progresses is universal world over.





Whether you are in China, Burkina Faso or Oceania, malaria has four stages before people sing "luwere Nyasaye amulinde" in your matanga. (mountain people sing...."guthie no muhaka tugathie"...but i digress)

Same can be said for other infectious diseases as TB etc. The common pedestrian/leighmann is asking...... what does a corona patient look like? They want to see one to believe that corona is real.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

You dont have to be respectful to @Mpobiz.Amezoea kutukanwa na @Makales.

That said I agree with you.There are certain basic symptoms that a COVID patient will have and that is why the management guidelines are also Universal.


And like you have said,seeing is believing.But alas parading a victim has its own issues,so we are torn between making it public or not.


@makeles alianza kucatch mafeelings when i called his endless theories myths and legends.
I have been a champion of herd immunity from day 1. Now your own goverment is just falling short of declaring the same.
First let's not label people with covid as victims because the healing rate is 99%
The reason people are eager to see persons with covid is because of the bogeyman stories the likes of masukuma are telling us. Just tell the people corona ni homa


I got tired of arguing with you and your baseless numbers. on the 99% recovery rate - that's fine. Yes... 40% of the cases will be asymptomatic, yes...40% of the cases will have mild to moderate symptoms... yes... only 14% may have severe and critical outcomes... yes only 1% will eventually die. that's not the point... the point is how fast do they fall ill and eventually die? How many of our population is 1%? if we are 50,000,000 - that's 500,000... Again... how fast do those 1% die? if they died over a span of 5 years it's fine... if they died in 3 months... it will have an impact. what about the 14% that need hospitalization? how does that auger with our health system? 14% of our population is 7,000,000... how do you hospitalize these people?
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mpobiz
#2119 Posted : Wednesday, July 01, 2020 9:31:00 AM
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masukuma wrote:
mpobiz wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
mpobiz wrote:



The problem with us and I have pointed it out so many times is that we are importers of everything. This includes ideas of how symptoms of this infection exhibit themselves in our African population. We are all expecting to see persons with nonestop coughs and sneezes and high temperatures.
This is not the case here. Carrier's of this infection are perfectly healthy people..
Let us localize this problem then we get local solutions.



I beg to respectably disagree with you @mpobiz. Lets take malaria for example. The symptoms and the way the disease progresses is universal world over.





Whether you are in China, Burkina Faso or Oceania, malaria has four stages before people sing "luwere Nyasaye amulinde" in your matanga. (mountain people sing...."guthie no muhaka tugathie"...but i digress)

Same can be said for other infectious diseases as TB etc. The common pedestrian/leighmann is asking...... what does a corona patient look like? They want to see one to believe that corona is real.



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

You dont have to be respectful to @Mpobiz.Amezoea kutukanwa na @Makales.

That said I agree with you.There are certain basic symptoms that a COVID patient will have and that is why the management guidelines are also Universal.


And like you have said,seeing is believing.But alas parading a victim has its own issues,so we are torn between making it public or not.


@makeles alianza kucatch mafeelings when i called his endless theories myths and legends.
I have been a champion of herd immunity from day 1. Now your own goverment is just falling short of declaring the same.
First let's not label people with covid as victims because the healing rate is 99%
The reason people are eager to see persons with covid is because of the bogeyman stories the likes of masukuma are telling us. Just tell the people corona ni homa


I got tired of arguing with you and your baseless numbers. on the 99% recovery rate - that's fine. Yes... 40% of the cases will be asymptomatic, yes...40% of the cases will have mild to moderate symptoms... yes... only 14% may have severe and critical outcomes... yes only 1% will eventually die. that's not the point... the point is how fast do they fall ill and eventually die? How many of our population is 1%? if we are 50,000,000 - that's 500,000... Again... how fast do those 1% die? if they died over a span of 5 years it's fine... if they died in 3 months... it will have an impact. what about the 14% that need hospitalization? how does that auger with our health system? 14% of our population is 7,000,000... how do you hospitalize these people?


You are a poor debater. You don't start abusing your opponents when you run out of lies. We are on the 7th month and we are yet to see the outcome of your doom prophesies.
What amazes me more is that you are slowly joining the "homa" bandwagon. We welcome you but you need to apologise for causing a lot of stress and misery to some of us here.
The reason for saying this is because you are now at 1% fatality rate compared to your previous 14% . I want you to scale it a bit further down to 0.04%. That's 20000 in the next 4 to 5 years. Most people will have home based care which means your 7m number will never happen.

you need to put aside your useless educational credentials and use your logic/ common sense. Drive or walk around town. Go to kibra , korogocho and finally to mokuru kwa njenga. There you see for yourself that all government guidelines are unheeded. If this infection has crossed all the way to kabarak and bungoma imagine the situation in those places?
I ask again ...the government closed down eastleigh when some cases were reported how comes they never closed down kibra?

Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
masukuma
#2120 Posted : Wednesday, July 01, 2020 10:09:28 AM
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mpobiz wrote:


You are a poor debater. You don't start abusing your opponents when you run out of lies. We are on the 7th month and we are yet to see the outcome of your doom prophesies.
What amazes me more is that you are slowly joining the "homa" bandwagon. We welcome you but you need to apologise for causing a lot of stress and misery to some of us here.
The reason for saying this is because you are now at 1% fatality rate compared to your previous 14% . I want you to scale it a bit further down to 0.04%. That's 20000 in the next 4 to 5 years. Most people will have home based care which means your 7m number will never happen.

you need to put aside your useless educational credentials and use your logic/ common sense. Drive or walk around town. Go to kibra , korogocho and finally to mokuru kwa njenga. There you see for yourself that all government guidelines are unheeded. If this infection has crossed all the way to kabarak and bungoma imagine the situation in those places?
I ask again ...the government closed down eastleigh when some cases were reported how comes they never closed down kibra?


I didn't insult you - I just called out the way you were generating numbers... which is true... look again... yesterday you said 99% recover So it's 1% dead now.. this morning you have decided its 0.04%... just picking figures right out of your behind... kesho it will be 0.001% because you feel like that's the rate tomorrow. you are just guessing whatever comes to mind. That is why I called you out.
I presume you know how to read - check all posts, I have written on this subject and tell me where I wrote 14% will die? I am basing my argument on empirical data and not what I feel is the right number on any particular morning.

By the way - this is one of those things I would love to be wrong on... really... I would love to be 100% wrong on...
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