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sqft
#61 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:05:15 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:

Kiambu hospitals, roads, and schools were all built by the 1st president of Kenya. While other regions, including Wajir, left out... lucky to have one hospital, a school, a kilometre road, no water, no reliable electricity... Why do some people think those other regions do not need schools, hospitals, boreholes, power etc?


Have you ever been to githurai, mwihoko, juja farm etc which are all in kiambu? Where are those roads, hospitals, schools you are talking about?
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
sqft
#62 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 11:25:11 AM
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I am very proud of Kakamega, Kisii, Nairobi and Kajiado and any other county that voted against this bill. They were shocked when they saw people vote against what appeared to be in their interest.




I saw Malala (senator kakamega) on TV saying the only reason for voting against the bill is because nasa regions in coast will lose and they expect coast to support baba in 2022. So they never opposed due to principles or love of the coastals but rather 2022 politics.
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
sqft
#63 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 11:45:57 AM
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So malala is lying to kenyans that kangata wants to take money from vihiga and take it to kirinyaga? Why didnt he say they are taking money from vihiga and taking it to nandi the biggest gainer? Kumbe these 41 vs 1 manenos are still there despite data showing its kaleos and luhyas who will benefit most from the new formula.







Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
limanika
#64 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:00:59 PM
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That people still do not know that in current world order the way to develop is by exporting products and services and thus earn money (and not be given money for free) is very baffling. Makes you feel all this education was a waste if such basic principles are not obvious. Just give enough money to everyone in the street and see if anyone will report to work tomorrow. To some extent that's where were headed with this devolution model
sqft
#65 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 6:30:51 PM
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Coast MPs accuse ODM of betrayal over revenue sharing vote

https://www.the-star.co....r-revenue-sharing-vote/

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Members of Parliament from the Coast Region have accused the Raila Odinga-led Orange Democratic Movement of betraying them over the revenue sharing formula.

The 10 lawmakers drawn from Coastal counties named the four Luo Nyanza senators terming them enemies of the Coastal region.

Led by ODM’s Owen Baya (Kilifi North), the Coast MPs said by Senators James Orengo (Siaya), Fred Outa (Kisumu), Moses Kajwang’ (Homabay) and Ochillo Ayacko (Migori) voting to deny the region resources is the highest form of betrayal.

“The debate and subsequent vote on the Majority Whip Irungu Kangata's amendments on the revenue sharing formula has exposed who our true friends are," Baya said.

The lawmaker said the vote exposed the ideological hypocrisy of their so called 'political bedfellows'.

“ODM senators from Luo Nyanza threw the Coast under the bus left us on the horns of despair," Baya said.
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
murchr
#66 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 7:49:51 PM
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limanika wrote:
That people still do not know that in current world order the way to develop is by exporting products and services and thus earn money (and not be given money for free) is very baffling. Makes you feel all this education was a waste if such basic principles are not obvious. Just give enough money to everyone in the street and see if anyone will report to work tomorrow. To some extent that's where were headed with this devolution model



Do you understand public finance?

This is about how the 14% 5% 30% of your money collected as taxes should be used. Wachana na exporting bla bla... ata Kenya ikiexport hewa how will the govt share out the 15% mandated by the constitution to counties?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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limanika
#67 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 8:07:38 PM
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murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
That people still do not know that in current world order the way to develop is by exporting products and services and thus earn money (and not be given money for free) is very baffling. Makes you feel all this education was a waste if such basic principles are not obvious. Just give enough money to everyone in the street and see if anyone will report to work tomorrow. To some extent that's where were headed with this devolution model



Do you understand public finance?

This is about how the 14% 5% 30% of your money collected as taxes should be used. Wachana na exporting bla bla... ata Kenya ikiexport hewa how will the govt share out the 15% mandated by the constitution to counties?


Do you understand terms like GDP, how economy is measured and works etc?
When national govt gives money to a county, and the county uses that money to buy guzzlers, take bench marking trips, etc, does that grow the economy and help govt generate new money to give the same county in the next financial year?
murchr
#68 Posted : Thursday, July 30, 2020 8:16:25 PM
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limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
That people still do not know that in current world order the way to develop is by exporting products and services and thus earn money (and not be given money for free) is very baffling. Makes you feel all this education was a waste if such basic principles are not obvious. Just give enough money to everyone in the street and see if anyone will report to work tomorrow. To some extent that's where were headed with this devolution model



Do you understand public finance?

This is about how the 14% 5% 30% of your money collected as taxes should be used. Wachana na exporting bla bla... ata Kenya ikiexport hewa how will the govt share out the 15% mandated by the constitution to counties?


Do you understand terms like GDP, how economy is measured and works etc?
When national govt gives money to a county, and the county uses that money to buy guzzlers, take bench marking trips, etc, does that grow the economy and help govt generate new money to give the same county in the next financial year?



That's not the point of discussion here. Its about sharing the national cake. No matter how big the GDP is grown
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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limanika
#69 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 8:45:46 AM
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murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
That people still do not know that in current world order the way to develop is by exporting products and services and thus earn money (and not be given money for free) is very baffling. Makes you feel all this education was a waste if such basic principles are not obvious. Just give enough money to everyone in the street and see if anyone will report to work tomorrow. To some extent that's where were headed with this devolution model



Do you understand public finance?

This is about how the 14% 5% 30% of your money collected as taxes should be used. Wachana na exporting bla bla... ata Kenya ikiexport hewa how will the govt share out the 15% mandated by the constitution to counties?


Do you understand terms like GDP, how economy is measured and works etc?
When national govt gives money to a county, and the county uses that money to buy guzzlers, take bench marking trips, etc, does that grow the economy and help govt generate new money to give the same county in the next financial year?



That's not the point of discussion here. Its about sharing the national cake. No matter how big the GDP is grown


It's all connected together my dear, like a jigsaw puzzle. You waste money here and it affects everything else. Does it strike you that govt debt has grown to upwards of 6 trillion from about 1.5T in 2013? Over same period govt has baked a cake worth close to 3trillion and given to counties? Does this tell you that the cake you are talking about was actually baked using borrowed money? Now, what do counties do with this cake? When counties mis-use this money, will the govt be able to generate new money to pay off the loan and give new money in the next financial year? Does that explain why govt is ever on borrowing spree - acquiring new loans to pay off old ones that get due?
If you extrapolate this type of borrowing and waste over next 5-10 yrs, it is only by divine intervention if this country does not get into a financial crisis.
But what if this 3 Trillion was used to give incentives, tax breaks, subsidize cost of power, etc so our industries get more competitive? Do you get the connection?

What Senate should have asked themselves is, for instance, the 80billion that has been given to Turkana in the last 8 years, how much of it is of real impact to the economy and helping to generate new money to keep giving to Turkana? If they can get an equation out of this and use it to re-calibrate this devolution, then that's the only way we can avoid debt crisis
sqft
#70 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 9:26:45 AM
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Donors have been complaining that they have pumped trillions of dollars to africa and yet they see no tangible results. Wanjiku is also getting tired that there is nothing to show for her cash contributions.








Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
sqft
#71 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 9:31:37 AM
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Ndii amepigwa knock outLaughing out loudly

Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
sqft
#72 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 10:17:17 AM
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Sakaja should know that we elected him to senate so that he can negotiate for our cake as nairobi residents. We never sent him there to represent makueni or taveta or north eastern.

Him rejecting 1.2B as extra funds for nairobi county means that nairobi will lose 6B in 5yrs. That cash would be enough to provide services in kibera, mukuru, mathare, build sewer huko pipeline, tena, kasarani, fix the potholed roads like mwiki road whose residents are always complaining of neglect, give @alma piped water huko south C, collect garbage etc. But he has rejected the cash and still wants us to support him. Did he consult us residents before rejecting the cash?

Why do we residents have to pay 200k each to privately fix our estate roads with cabro . Why do we have to contribute 200k each to privately connect to sewer lines? Why do we have to spend 10k to buy water from tankers each week? Why do we have to rely on supermarket bottled water because nairobi is unable to supply clean drinking water? Why do we have to contribute to put up and maintain street lights in our estates? Why do we pay for garbage collection each month? Why do we have to spend money we could have saved to put our kids in private schools because govt schools are non existent and the county has never built a single school since devolution. Why do we have to go to private hospitals while health is devolved and the county should be providing health care? Why should nairobi residents be travelling to machakos county hospital to seek treatment? When we ask questions like these, we are told to shut up because nairobi is developed and thus doesnt need more funds.

Can sakaja provide us with an account of how the billions in devolved cash are spent in nairobi because we cant see any evidence in our residential estates. And now he is rejecting cash which we deserve. We are tired of always digging into out pockets to do things that the county should be doing. Time to impeach this sakaja and sonko. He should keep off the 1.2B that we are set to gain. Keep off our cash! If he is tired or uninterested in representing us as nairobi residents at the cake sharing table, let him resign and then go and represent makueni or mandera etc if that is where his heart is.



https://www.the-star.co....ors-in-revenue-formula/

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Focus shifts to seven ‘gaining’ senators in revenue formula

Seven senators whose counties will gain from the disputed revenue-sharing formula have become the centre of the battle as Senate factions lobby for numbers.

Senators representing counties losing out under the formula are getting increasingly worried that should they lose the lawmakers then their goose could be cooked.

The seven have opposed the contentious formula proposed by the Senate Finance and Budget committee despite their counties gaining.

They are Johnson Sakaja (Nairobi) whose county is getting Sh1.2 billion more from last year’s allocation, Cleophas Malala whose Kakamega county is gaining Sh402 million and Sam Ongeri whose Kisii county is getting an extra Sh162 million.

Anuar Loitiptip (Lamu) opposed the formula as a show of solidarity with his Coast colleagues whose counties will lose, despite his county gaining Sh96 million.

Kajiado’s Philip Mpayeei opposed in solidarity with Narok, which will lose despite his county getting Sh765 million more.

Machakos Senator Boniface Kabaka stood with his Ukambani colleagues despite his county gaining Sh367 million more.

Elgeyo Marakwet Kipchumba Murkomen rejected the formula even though his county was to get an additional Sh398 million from last year’s allocation.
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
sqft
#73 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30:05 AM
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@masukuma, @l0lest, mugundaman/amorphous and other wazuans who are residents of rongai and DC are also on record complaining about non delivery of services by their county govt just like we are suffering in nairobi. And yet the kajiado senator is also rejecting the 765m in additional funds.

Juzi people were "laughing" that landlords in kitengela were contributing funds to put up sewer. DC has no water, you either drink the salty borehole water or harvest rainwater like mugundaman, or buy drinking water kwa supermarket. The whole county is a dustbowl due to lack of tarmac roads and yet the senator is rejecting billions meant to help the residents of kajiado.

The whole stupidity is that kajiado sentator is rejecting the funds to be in solidality with narok which he says will lose a few millions. Does he know that narok collects billions from masai mara which they eat alone and never share with any one while the cash collected at amboseli in kajiado goes to the national govt?
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
tinker
#74 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 4:07:05 PM
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Coming Tuesday, 4th August, there will be another debate in Senate but unfortunately the motion will not be passed, who will suffer if there is no disbursement to the counties?, definitely it is not the Senators or top 3 leaders.

I really hope I am wrong on this.
I noticed there is no unanimous decision on this issue even in the smaller 'TangaTanga' house.
....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
murchr
#75 Posted : Friday, July 31, 2020 4:11:53 PM
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limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
That people still do not know that in current world order the way to develop is by exporting products and services and thus earn money (and not be given money for free) is very baffling. Makes you feel all this education was a waste if such basic principles are not obvious. Just give enough money to everyone in the street and see if anyone will report to work tomorrow. To some extent that's where were headed with this devolution model



Do you understand public finance?

This is about how the 14% 5% 30% of your money collected as taxes should be used. Wachana na exporting bla bla... ata Kenya ikiexport hewa how will the govt share out the 15% mandated by the constitution to counties?


Do you understand terms like GDP, how economy is measured and works etc?
When national govt gives money to a county, and the county uses that money to buy guzzlers, take bench marking trips, etc, does that grow the economy and help govt generate new money to give the same county in the next financial year?



That's not the point of discussion here. Its about sharing the national cake. No matter how big the GDP is grown


It's all connected together my dear, like a jigsaw puzzle. You waste money here and it affects everything else. Does it strike you that govt debt has grown to upwards of 6 trillion from about 1.5T in 2013? Over same period govt has baked a cake worth close to 3trillion and given to counties? Does this tell you that the cake you are talking about was actually baked using borrowed money? Now, what do counties do with this cake? When counties mis-use this money, will the govt be able to generate new money to pay off the loan and give new money in the next financial year? Does that explain why govt is ever on borrowing spree - acquiring new loans to pay off old ones that get due?
If you extrapolate this type of borrowing and waste over next 5-10 yrs, it is only by divine intervention if this country does not get into a financial crisis.
But what if this 3 Trillion was used to give incentives, tax breaks, subsidize cost of power, etc so our industries get more competitive? Do you get the connection?

What Senate should have asked themselves is, for instance, the 80billion that has been given to Turkana in the last 8 years, how much of it is of real impact to the economy and helping to generate new money to keep giving to Turkana? If they can get an equation out of this and use it to re-calibrate this devolution, then that's the only way we can avoid debt crisis




Kwanza Usiniite dear.

2. The constitution says that the county govts should get 15% of the country's budget. Whether the GDP is growing of shrinking upto 15% of the monies in the budget should go to counties.

3. The work of the senators is not to determine how counties use the money, theirs is to see accountability at the end of the day. That's why there are audit reports and summons to explain how these gov appropriated or misappropriated the money. If you have a useless gov who thinks the whole amount should be used to pay salaries shauri yenu as residents, you elected him.

4. So the matter under discussion is what should be considered while sharing this 15%? Poverty? Population? Marginalization? development index? etc Whatever the county gets its up to the governor and the county assemblies to decide how to use it whether to grow wealth or pay it as salaries. That discussion happens in individual counties not with the senate.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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limanika
#76 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2020 7:20:30 PM
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murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
That people still do not know that in current world order the way to develop is by exporting products and services and thus earn money (and not be given money for free) is very baffling. Makes you feel all this education was a waste if such basic principles are not obvious. Just give enough money to everyone in the street and see if anyone will report to work tomorrow. To some extent that's where were headed with this devolution model



Do you understand public finance?

This is about how the 14% 5% 30% of your money collected as taxes should be used. Wachana na exporting bla bla... ata Kenya ikiexport hewa how will the govt share out the 15% mandated by the constitution to counties?


Do you understand terms like GDP, how economy is measured and works etc?
When national govt gives money to a county, and the county uses that money to buy guzzlers, take bench marking trips, etc, does that grow the economy and help govt generate new money to give the same county in the next financial year?



That's not the point of discussion here. Its about sharing the national cake. No matter how big the GDP is grown


It's all connected together my dear, like a jigsaw puzzle. You waste money here and it affects everything else. Does it strike you that govt debt has grown to upwards of 6 trillion from about 1.5T in 2013? Over same period govt has baked a cake worth close to 3trillion and given to counties? Does this tell you that the cake you are talking about was actually baked using borrowed money? Now, what do counties do with this cake? When counties mis-use this money, will the govt be able to generate new money to pay off the loan and give new money in the next financial year? Does that explain why govt is ever on borrowing spree - acquiring new loans to pay off old ones that get due?
If you extrapolate this type of borrowing and waste over next 5-10 yrs, it is only by divine intervention if this country does not get into a financial crisis.
But what if this 3 Trillion was used to give incentives, tax breaks, subsidize cost of power, etc so our industries get more competitive? Do you get the connection?

What Senate should have asked themselves is, for instance, the 80billion that has been given to Turkana in the last 8 years, how much of it is of real impact to the economy and helping to generate new money to keep giving to Turkana? If they can get an equation out of this and use it to re-calibrate this devolution, then that's the only way we can avoid debt crisis




Kwanza Usiniite dear.

2. The constitution says that the county govts should get 15% of the country's budget. Whether the GDP is growing of shrinking upto 15% of the monies in the budget should go to counties.

3. The work of the senators is not to determine how counties use the money, theirs is to see accountability at the end of the day. That's why there are audit reports and summons to explain how these gov appropriated or misappropriated the money. If you have a useless gov who thinks the whole amount should be used to pay salaries shauri yenu as residents, you elected him.

4. So the matter under discussion is what should be considered while sharing this 15%? Poverty? Population? Marginalization? development index? etc Whatever the county gets its up to the governor and the county assemblies to decide how to use it whether to grow wealth or pay it as salaries. That discussion happens in individual counties not with the senate.


Good you brought out the constitution, that's actually where the problem is. Can you point to any sound economic basis that was used to set this 15%? It was set by politicians not so much to develop the counties but to provide avenues for éating'. As for auditing by senators/MCA's, this also doesn't happen because the governors are able to 'buy' those who make noise.

So we need to go back to the basics and come up with a formula that provides sustainable way of managing this devolution. Man was not made for the law. Law was made for man. So the constitution can and should be changed if something is not working.

Not very intelligent of us to spend this money extravagantly year in year out and at the same time whine about growing/unsustainable debt.
murchr
#77 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2020 9:21:01 PM
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limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
That people still do not know that in current world order the way to develop is by exporting products and services and thus earn money (and not be given money for free) is very baffling. Makes you feel all this education was a waste if such basic principles are not obvious. Just give enough money to everyone in the street and see if anyone will report to work tomorrow. To some extent that's where were headed with this devolution model



Do you understand public finance?

This is about how the 14% 5% 30% of your money collected as taxes should be used. Wachana na exporting bla bla... ata Kenya ikiexport hewa how will the govt share out the 15% mandated by the constitution to counties?


Do you understand terms like GDP, how economy is measured and works etc?
When national govt gives money to a county, and the county uses that money to buy guzzlers, take bench marking trips, etc, does that grow the economy and help govt generate new money to give the same county in the next financial year?



That's not the point of discussion here. Its about sharing the national cake. No matter how big the GDP is grown


It's all connected together my dear, like a jigsaw puzzle. You waste money here and it affects everything else. Does it strike you that govt debt has grown to upwards of 6 trillion from about 1.5T in 2013? Over same period govt has baked a cake worth close to 3trillion and given to counties? Does this tell you that the cake you are talking about was actually baked using borrowed money? Now, what do counties do with this cake? When counties mis-use this money, will the govt be able to generate new money to pay off the loan and give new money in the next financial year? Does that explain why govt is ever on borrowing spree - acquiring new loans to pay off old ones that get due?
If you extrapolate this type of borrowing and waste over next 5-10 yrs, it is only by divine intervention if this country does not get into a financial crisis.
But what if this 3 Trillion was used to give incentives, tax breaks, subsidize cost of power, etc so our industries get more competitive? Do you get the connection?

What Senate should have asked themselves is, for instance, the 80billion that has been given to Turkana in the last 8 years, how much of it is of real impact to the economy and helping to generate new money to keep giving to Turkana? If they can get an equation out of this and use it to re-calibrate this devolution, then that's the only way we can avoid debt crisis




Kwanza Usiniite dear.

2. The constitution says that the county govts should get 15% of the country's budget. Whether the GDP is growing of shrinking upto 15% of the monies in the budget should go to counties.

3. The work of the senators is not to determine how counties use the money, theirs is to see accountability at the end of the day. That's why there are audit reports and summons to explain how these gov appropriated or misappropriated the money. If you have a useless gov who thinks the whole amount should be used to pay salaries shauri yenu as residents, you elected him.

4. So the matter under discussion is what should be considered while sharing this 15%? Poverty? Population? Marginalization? development index? etc Whatever the county gets its up to the governor and the county assemblies to decide how to use it whether to grow wealth or pay it as salaries. That discussion happens in individual counties not with the senate.


Good you brought out the constitution, that's actually where the problem is. Can you point to any sound economic basis that was used to set this 15%? It was set by politicians not so much to develop the counties but to provide avenues for éating'. As for auditing by senators/MCA's, this also doesn't happen because the governors are able to 'buy' those who make noise.

So we need to go back to the basics and come up with a formula that provides sustainable way of managing this devolution. Man was not made for the law. Law was made for man. So the constitution can and should be changed if something is not working.

Not very intelligent of us to spend this money extravagantly year in year out and at the same time whine about growing/unsustainable debt.




There's nothing wrong with the constitution. It is a fact that the government will spend money, 15% of that should go to counties by law. 85% can be used for other etcs that the national government wants to including paying its debt
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sqft
#78 Posted : Saturday, August 01, 2020 11:44:22 PM
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I have seen Moses Kuria on TV asking if it is fair for kiambu county with 1.1m voters to be getting 9B in devolved funds while marsabit, wajir, mandera, garissa with a combined total of 0.7m voters get 48B each year in devolved funds (over 5 times more). And yet all kenyans are taxed at the same rate. Additionally all Mps and senators from those areas are paid 100m each every 5yrs in mileage allowances while those in kiambu get close to zero because they are said to be next to nairobi and thus incurring minimal cost to attend parliament? What justice is there? I support Moses Kuria 100%.

Can you imagine being a shareholder of eg safaricom and while you are paid a dividend of 1 bob, others are paid 5 bob? Is that justice?

Is it any wonder that while the youth in kiambu are all hustling as hawkers and boda bodas, the people of NE are busy buying the whole of Karen and south C?
Exodus 20:17 Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
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sqft wrote:
I have seen Moses Kuria on TV asking if it is fair for kiambu county with 1.1m voters to be getting 9B in devolved funds while marsabit, wajir, mandera, garissa with a combined total of 0.7m voters get 48B each year in devolved funds (over 5 times more). And yet all kenyans are taxed at the same rate. Additionally all Mps and senators from those areas are paid 100m each every 5yrs in mileage allowances while those in kiambu get close to zero because they are said to be next to nairobi and thus incurring minimal cost to attend parliament? What justice is there? I support Moses Kuria 100%.

Can you imagine being a shareholder of eg safaricom and while you are paid a dividend of 1 bob, others are paid 5 bob? Is that justice?

Is it any wonder that while the youth in kiambu are all hustling as hawkers and boda bodas, the people of NE are busy buying the whole of Karen and south C?


Mps' mileage claim is not a devolution issue!!!! Let us not mix up stuff.
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#80 Posted : Sunday, August 02, 2020 10:35:23 AM
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sqft wrote:
I have seen Moses Kuria on TV asking if it is fair for kiambu county with 1.1m voters to be getting 9B in devolved funds while marsabit, wajir, mandera, garissa with a combined total of 0.7m voters get 48B each year in devolved funds (over 5 times more). And yet all kenyans are taxed at the same rate. Additionally all Mps and senators from those areas are paid 100m each every 5yrs in mileage allowances while those in kiambu get close to zero because they are said to be next to nairobi and thus incurring minimal cost to attend parliament? What justice is there? I support Moses Kuria 100%.

Can you imagine being a shareholder of eg safaricom and while you are paid a dividend of 1 bob, others are paid 5 bob? Is that justice?

Is it any wonder that while the youth in kiambu are all hustling as hawkers and boda bodas, the people of NE are busy buying the whole of Karen and south C?

This may sound like splitting hairs but number of voters should not be a factor, but population should be. We could be in an area where the ratio of adults to minors is 1:6. Another place could be having 1:1(likely in urban areas). The place with 1:1 even with the same population will likely have more voters!

But this is a debate where both sides need to be considered though. Because with higher population you need more hospitals,nurses,doctors, teachers

Counties with bigger land sizes need more for fuel

Then the issue of development. Colonial development concentrated on rainfall corridor. After independence our African govts followed the colonial formula.

Because of this, we perhaps should go with that suggestion of each county receiving at least the same amount they do receive now. Then when we increase the amount given to counties, far more weight be given to population in such a way that our populous counties get a fair share.
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