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Why is Africa poor in general compared to the West?
The Great
#281 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:36:03 PM
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All talk and no work all of you. Why would anyone want to change the system but for those left out of the looting ring? We are wazuans. We should be discussing how to liberate ourselves economically while letting these corrupt leaders save face and still eat a little chicken.
Anything more and they shut us down.
Do first things first, and second things not at all.
—Peter Drucker.
The Great
#282 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:37:08 PM
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Baby steps fellows. Baby steps
Do first things first, and second things not at all.
—Peter Drucker.
AlphDoti
#283 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 12:56:49 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
I had a discussion with a Caucasian friend as to why Africa is poor, he said that the main reason was influence from the West and also corruption in faulty systems of government. I agreed but would like to know what wazuans think on the issue. Will our vision 2030 blueprint materialize? If you dont think so,why? And what is your way forward?

@Mutaga, this is the reason why: When Europeans invaded Africa they applied the 4 basic principles of any occupant forces:

1. First, kill the strong and loot the place

2. Second, breed the weak

3. Third, kill, deport or exile the smartest and the skilled ones

4. Fourth, impose the golden colonial rule "My way or the Highway"

So the Kings and descendants were all killed. Additionally, 3 centuries of transatlantic slavery exported over 12 millions of the finest men and women from Africa to America, tens of millions died in the process.

Now imagine, what would happen to any country or civilization when almost all writers, storytellers, engineers, craftsmen, artists, leaders are killed or exiled? And further, any sign of their past glory and ingenuity destroyed or burned? Their "books" and historical records of knowledge stolen or destroyed?

That Caucasian friend of yours knows this. And he takes you for a fool for not knowing your history. But how would you know?
AlphDoti
#284 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 12:58:36 PM
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The Great wrote:
Baby steps fellows. Baby steps

We need to re-discover ourselves and take baby steps back on track again... But our leaders are selling their countries...
Ericsson
#285 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:35:16 PM
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"According to UNCTAD, more money flowing into developed countries as dividend income than that is flowing out as foreign direct investment."
Othelo
#286 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:48:41 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
"According to UNCTAD, more money flowing into developed countries as dividend income than that is flowing out as foreign direct investment."

So people are earning dividends from what investment? Ukora galore smile
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
iris
#287 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:50:14 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
I had a discussion with a Caucasian friend as to why Africa is poor, he said that the main reason was influence from the West and also corruption in faulty systems of government. I agreed but would like to know what wazuans think on the issue. Will our vision 2030 blueprint materialize? If you dont think so,why? And what is your way forward?

@Mutaga, this is the reason why: When Europeans invaded Africa they applied the 4 basic principles of any occupant forces:

1. First, kill the strong and loot the place

2. Second, breed the weak

3. Third, kill, deport or exile the smartest and the skilled ones

4. Fourth, impose the golden colonial rule "My way or the Highway"

So the Kings and descendants were all killed. Additionally, 3 centuries of transatlantic slavery exported over 12 millions of the finest men and women from Africa to America, tens of millions died in the process.

Now imagine, what would happen to any country or civilization when almost all writers, storytellers, engineers, craftsmen, artists, leaders are killed or exiled? And further, any sign of their past glory and ingenuity destroyed or burned? Their "books" and historical records of knowledge stolen or destroyed?

That Caucasian friend of yours knows this. And he takes you for a fool for not knowing your history. But how would you know?


Oh yes, let's blame everyone and everything except ourselves. What scientific method did they use to breed weak ones like us and kill off the smart ones? Even the Romans did the same to the English a few centuries after Christ and that is why the weak ones had brexit.
Ericsson
#288 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 7:22:18 PM
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@Othelo
How much dividend do Safaricom, BAT, Lafarge Bamburi Cement repatriate to their parent companies
Lolest!
#289 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2016 12:30:57 PM
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Ebenyo
#290 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2016 12:40:01 PM
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Africa is poor because:
1.We lack discipline to create wealth.
2.We manage our resources poorly.
The difference between poverty and wealth is in mentality.
aemathenge
#291 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2016 3:13:20 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
Africa is poor because:
1.We lack discipline to create wealth.
2.We manage our resources poorly.

An article by Galgalo Bocha in the Business Daily Posted Thursday, December 29 2016

Link:

Extracts:

Quote:
For the third day consecutively, thousands of Jambo Jet passengers Thursday continued to experience delays and cancellation of their flights to various holiday destinations in the Coast region.

Kenya Coast Tourism Association (KCTA) chairman Mohammed Hersi said the situation had seriously affected the high expectation of hoteliers during this festive season.

He wondered why the domestic airline, owned by Kenya Airways, had resorted to overbook passengers beyond its capacity, hence inconveniencing their visit and stay in various hotels.

He adds: “Why don’t you just sell what you can handle instead of giving a false promise of landing in Ukunda or Malindi only to land in Mombasa?

In business, this is deception and it creates a terrible negative vibe besides some passengers may opt to sue you.

Please we want you to focus on flying rather than fighting cases.

The situation has affected tourism businesses in the South Coast tourist resort areas of Diani and Ukunda and Mombasa, Malindi and Lamu in North Coast.
Lolest!
#292 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2016 3:26:39 PM
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Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Cornelius Vanderbilt
#293 Posted : Sunday, January 01, 2017 5:47:50 PM
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historically the west embraced education from the greek and those advanced ancient culters while in africa they were busy talking about passing down oral traditions and customs and practicing wiered culters.in africa no initiative was made by the kings/queens to send their sons to europe and US to learn education that they could use to develop their land.
obiero
#294 Posted : Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:32:05 PM
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:
historically the west embraced education from the greek and those advanced ancient culters while in africa they were busy talking about passing down oral traditions and customs and practicing wiered culters.in africa no initiative was made by the kings/queens to send their sons to europe and US to learn education that they could use to develop their land.

Dear @Cornelius there is a curse called bamboocha that was littered along the four corners of Africa. We need to pray in order to overcome it. How else would you explain engineers who build collapsing structures, journalists who take bribes to publish stories, contractors who illegally demolish titled property, public servants who steal funds meant for societal good
wukan
#295 Posted : Sunday, January 01, 2017 7:36:09 PM
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I was reading the end of year statements from UK and RAO and yes i can understand why we are poor. Choose your poison whichever works for you.

UK's vision statement. Try to forget the fact he is developing this vision at the end of his term in office. Is that our leaders right from our paramount chiefs meeting the white man are not able to see the changing trends in the world and adapt accordingly. In a world that is fast moving to a post-industrial phase our leader's vision looks kinda medieval.

Quote:
Change does not come overnight, especially when we are digging ourselves out of the immense poverty, ignorance and conflict that came from almost a century of colonial oppression and centuries of the damaging legacy of slavery. Let me tell you what I see in my mind’s eye whenever I think of what we are trying to build

A Kenya that is industrialized and where a decent job is available to anyone qualified and seeking it. We will be a Kenya whose people have the education to innovate, invent and deliver world class goods and services. We shall sustain our economic growth so that we shall rise into Africa’s leading destination for investment in manufacturing, logistics, tourism and education. We will be secure and an anchor for stability in a region that will have overcome its destructive conflicts.


RAO on the other hand is talking like a union leader complaining about company management but with no clear alternative policies or competing vision on how to plan for a post-industrial society.

Quote:
A clean, competent, caring, accountable, inclusive and honest government.That is what Kenyans have missed these past four years.Other than exams management, it is difficult to pinpoint 2016 successes with real impact on Kenyans.Communities got excluded from government because they were viewed as enemies who would disrupt the eating.There is a glaring absence of well thought-out policy interventions to deal with emerging issues.
enyands
#296 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2017 3:35:48 AM
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wukan wrote:
I was reading the end of year statements from UK and RAO and yes i can understand why we are poor. Choose your poison whichever works for you.

UK's vision statement. Try to forget the fact he is developing this vision at the end of his term in office. Is that our leaders right from our paramount chiefs meeting the white man are not able to see the changing trends in the world and adapt accordingly. In a world that is fast moving to a post-industrial phase our leader's vision looks kinda medieval.

Quote:
Change does not come overnight, especially when we are digging ourselves out of the immense poverty, ignorance and conflict that came from almost a century of colonial oppression and centuries of the damaging legacy of slavery. Let me tell you what I see in my mind’s eye whenever I think of what we are trying to build

A Kenya that is industrialized and where a decent job is available to anyone qualified and seeking it. We will be a Kenya whose people have the education to innovate, invent and deliver world class goods and services. We shall sustain our economic growth so that we shall rise into Africa’s leading destination for investment in manufacturing, logistics, tourism and education. We will be secure and an anchor for stability in a region that will have overcome its destructive conflicts.


RAO on the other hand is talking like a union leader complaining about company management but with no clear alternative policies or competing vision on how to plan for a post-industrial society.

Quote:
A clean, competent, caring, accountable, inclusive and honest government.That is what Kenyans have missed these past four years.Other than exams management, it is difficult to pinpoint 2016 successes with real impact on Kenyans.Communities got excluded from government because they were viewed as enemies who would disrupt the eating.There is a glaring absence of well thought-out policy interventions to deal with emerging issues.



For me these are just speeches and nothing more .let your deeds sell for yourself. I never trust what comes from a politician oral cavity .That's just me
obiero
#297 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2017 7:25:10 AM
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enyands wrote:
wukan wrote:
I was reading the end of year statements from UK and RAO and yes i can understand why we are poor. Choose your poison whichever works for you.

UK's vision statement. Try to forget the fact he is developing this vision at the end of his term in office. Is that our leaders right from our paramount chiefs meeting the white man are not able to see the changing trends in the world and adapt accordingly. In a world that is fast moving to a post-industrial phase our leader's vision looks kinda medieval.

Quote:
Change does not come overnight, especially when we are digging ourselves out of the immense poverty, ignorance and conflict that came from almost a century of colonial oppression and centuries of the damaging legacy of slavery. Let me tell you what I see in my mind’s eye whenever I think of what we are trying to build

A Kenya that is industrialized and where a decent job is available to anyone qualified and seeking it. We will be a Kenya whose people have the education to innovate, invent and deliver world class goods and services. We shall sustain our economic growth so that we shall rise into Africa’s leading destination for investment in manufacturing, logistics, tourism and education. We will be secure and an anchor for stability in a region that will have overcome its destructive conflicts.


RAO on the other hand is talking like a union leader complaining about company management but with no clear alternative policies or competing vision on how to plan for a post-industrial society.

Quote:
A clean, competent, caring, accountable, inclusive and honest government.That is what Kenyans have missed these past four years.Other than exams management, it is difficult to pinpoint 2016 successes with real impact on Kenyans.Communities got excluded from government because they were viewed as enemies who would disrupt the eating.There is a glaring absence of well thought-out policy interventions to deal with emerging issues.



For me these are just speeches and nothing more .let your deeds sell for yourself. I never trust what comes from a politician oral cavity .That's just me

Doctors still on strike... Tunakula nyama, wao wameze mate.. Sad really
watesh
#298 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2017 6:52:53 PM
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obiero wrote:
enyands wrote:
wukan wrote:
I was reading the end of year statements from UK and RAO and yes i can understand why we are poor. Choose your poison whichever works for you.

UK's vision statement. Try to forget the fact he is developing this vision at the end of his term in office. Is that our leaders right from our paramount chiefs meeting the white man are not able to see the changing trends in the world and adapt accordingly. In a world that is fast moving to a post-industrial phase our leader's vision looks kinda medieval.

Quote:
Change does not come overnight, especially when we are digging ourselves out of the immense poverty, ignorance and conflict that came from almost a century of colonial oppression and centuries of the damaging legacy of slavery. Let me tell you what I see in my mind’s eye whenever I think of what we are trying to build

A Kenya that is industrialized and where a decent job is available to anyone qualified and seeking it. We will be a Kenya whose people have the education to innovate, invent and deliver world class goods and services. We shall sustain our economic growth so that we shall rise into Africa’s leading destination for investment in manufacturing, logistics, tourism and education. We will be secure and an anchor for stability in a region that will have overcome its destructive conflicts.


RAO on the other hand is talking like a union leader complaining about company management but with no clear alternative policies or competing vision on how to plan for a post-industrial society.

Quote:
A clean, competent, caring, accountable, inclusive and honest government.That is what Kenyans have missed these past four years.Other than exams management, it is difficult to pinpoint 2016 successes with real impact on Kenyans.Communities got excluded from government because they were viewed as enemies who would disrupt the eating.There is a glaring absence of well thought-out policy interventions to deal with emerging issues.



For me these are just speeches and nothing more .let your deeds sell for yourself. I never trust what comes from a politician oral cavity .That's just me

Doctors still on strike... Tunakula nyama, wao wameze mate.. Sad really

And MPs still award themselves more money
obiero
#299 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2017 7:11:53 PM
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watesh wrote:
obiero wrote:
enyands wrote:
wukan wrote:
I was reading the end of year statements from UK and RAO and yes i can understand why we are poor. Choose your poison whichever works for you.

UK's vision statement. Try to forget the fact he is developing this vision at the end of his term in office. Is that our leaders right from our paramount chiefs meeting the white man are not able to see the changing trends in the world and adapt accordingly. In a world that is fast moving to a post-industrial phase our leader's vision looks kinda medieval.

Quote:
Change does not come overnight, especially when we are digging ourselves out of the immense poverty, ignorance and conflict that came from almost a century of colonial oppression and centuries of the damaging legacy of slavery. Let me tell you what I see in my mind’s eye whenever I think of what we are trying to build

A Kenya that is industrialized and where a decent job is available to anyone qualified and seeking it. We will be a Kenya whose people have the education to innovate, invent and deliver world class goods and services. We shall sustain our economic growth so that we shall rise into Africa’s leading destination for investment in manufacturing, logistics, tourism and education. We will be secure and an anchor for stability in a region that will have overcome its destructive conflicts.


RAO on the other hand is talking like a union leader complaining about company management but with no clear alternative policies or competing vision on how to plan for a post-industrial society.

Quote:
A clean, competent, caring, accountable, inclusive and honest government.That is what Kenyans have missed these past four years.Other than exams management, it is difficult to pinpoint 2016 successes with real impact on Kenyans.Communities got excluded from government because they were viewed as enemies who would disrupt the eating.There is a glaring absence of well thought-out policy interventions to deal with emerging issues.



For me these are just speeches and nothing more .let your deeds sell for yourself. I never trust what comes from a politician oral cavity .That's just me

Doctors still on strike... Tunakula nyama, wao wameze mate.. Sad really

And MPs still award themselves more money

Kibaki was the best president Africa has ever had
Obi 1 Kanobi
#300 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 3:48:14 PM
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Why is Africa poor;

1. Before coloialism, we did not have a system of governance beyond the village level, contrast this with Asia whose civilization are the oldest in the world or Americas where the europeans settled and transplanted their civilisations
2. We don't know any better, we have been poor all along and we don't know how to harness and amas wealth or the benefits that come with it. Its like Kyuks in central who have seen the benefits of wealth compared to the rest of Kenyans who have no clue
3. We are made up of many tiny disorganised weak countries that basically lack leverage required to compete with the rest of the world.
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