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VituVingiSana
#1741 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:59:35 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 16,053
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT

The Art of Holding


Stocks rarely perform in the time frames we predict, and it’s why the market only works for investors that have a long-term portfolio focus. Performance is never linear, up and to the right, year after year. You sometimes have to hold onto a position for a few years before it goes up 100% in 3 months.

“I’m accustomed to hanging around with a stock when the price is going nowhere. Most of the money I make is in the third or fourth year that I’ve owned something.” – Peter Lynch

Here is a real-life example: I started buying a company I own today in early 2012 when it was at $0.35-0.40 per share. As my conviction grew I bought more and by mid- 2014 the stock hit $2.00 per share. Today (January 2017), the stock is still at $2.00 per share. Yes, I’m up considerably from my average cost basis but this company has been dead money for 2.5 years. Years!

How do I know if I’m right in holding versus just being entrenched in endowment bias?

Let’s get back to some first principles. Sustainable multi-baggers have three characteristics: Long-term revenue and earnings growth with little to no dilution. When you are holding onto a position ask yourself – Is this business growing and making more money per share than it did a year ago, two years ago? In my real-life example above the company’s business is almost double the size it was 2.5 years ago. Yes, the stock hasn’t gone anywhere but the business is doing really well. I have no problem holding this stock. If the business wasn’t performing, I would sell. Successful investors can differentiate business performance from stock performance and can take advantage of those investors who can’t.

“I don’t want to spend my time trying to earn a lot of little profits. I want very, very big profits that I’m ready to wait for.” – Phil Fisher

In the book, The Art of Execution, portfolio manager Lee Freeman-Shor invests $25-$150 million ($1+ billion total) in 45 of the world’s top investors. His instructions to them were simple as there was just one rule. They could only invest in their ten best ideas. Over several years he tracked their positions, trades, performance and was amazed at what he saw. He identified both good and bad habits and divided the investors into groups – Rabbits, Assassins, Hunters, Raiders, and the most successful group, the Connoisseurs.

“The most successful investors I worked with, those who made the most money, all had one thing in common: the presence of a couple of big winners in their portfolios. Any approach that does not embrace the possibility of winning big is doomed.” – Lee Freeman-Shor

In this excerpt, Lee Freeman-Shor talks about one of the attributes of Connoisseurs.

“One of the key requirements of staying invested in a big winner is to have (or cultivate) a high boredom threshold.

Meeting some of my Connoisseurs could be very, very boring because nothing ever changed. They would talk about the same stocks they had been invested in for the past five years or longer. On the days I had a meeting scheduled with a Connoisseur, I sometimes struggled to get out of bed.

The fact is, most of us will find it difficult to emulate the Connoisseurs because we feel the need to do something when we get to the office (or home trading desk) every day. We look at stock price charts, listen to the latest market news on Bloomberg TV, and fool ourselves into believing we could add value from making a few small trades here and there. It is very hard to do nothing but focus on the same handful of companies every year; only researching new ideas on the side.

Many of us, seeing we have made a profit of 40% in one of our stocks, start actively looking for another company to invest the money into – instead of leaving it invested. This is precisely why lots of investors never become very successful.”

Every multi-bagger will have long periods (even years) of stagnation as fundamentals backfill, old shareholders get bored, and new shareholders enter. Just like a fine wine, sustainable multi-baggers often take their time to ascend and develop. If you’re invested in great businesses that continue to grow and earn more money, don’t let lulls in stock price and boredom scare you out of them.

https://microcapclub.com.../01/the-art-of-holding/

KQ is definitely what is being discussed here
Must be given "Long-term revenue and earnings growth with little to no dilution."
As we have seen KQ's revenues have been rising, earnings even more so. And no dilution of the shareholding.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1742 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 2:02:39 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 16,053
Location: Nairobi
From The Maturation of an Investor
https://microcapclub.com/2016/10/the-maturation-of-an-investor/


You cannot force the maturity process but you can shorten it in five ways:

1. Experience. Don’t be afraid “to do” and learn from experience.
2. Read. Read a lot of annual reports and industry reports. The key is to develop a circle of competence so you can act quickly and decisively. Read up on business leaders, investing leaders, thought leaders, and even some fiction. Why Fiction? It keeps your creative mind balanced which ultimately makes you more focused.

3. Mentors. Picture in your mind where you want to be in 10-years, and then go find that person today and learn from them.

4.Self-Awareness. In this context self-awareness is the ability to identify and evaluate your strengths, deficiencies, and outcomes. For example, you need to have the self-awareness to recognize luck versus skill. Sometimes you will make the right decision but you will still lose money. This doesn’t mean you made the wrong decision. Sometimes you will make a wrong decision but you will still make money. Don’t play games with yourself. Have enough self-awareness to recognize that even though you made money your actions were wrong.
5. Own Your Mistakes. When you blame others for your investing mistakes it proves you didn’t do enough of your own work. Fully own your past mistakes so you learn from them.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1743 Posted : Monday, May 20, 2019 2:08:07 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 16,053
Location: Nairobi
https://microcapclub.com...uration-of-an-investor/

A big part of the preparation is so you develop a thick skin.
I am going to do that.

True conviction can only be obtained by trusting your own research over that of others. [i]True. This has generally served me well but I do read and incorporate what others say.
[/i]

Most multi-baggers will have long periods of stagnation as fundamentals backfill, old shareholders give up or get bored, and new shareholders enter. True. Sometimes, the share price doesn't match the good performance. That is OK. Time to buy more at lower prices.

A multi-baggers journey is filled with the corpses of highly intelligent articulate naysayers. Every investors strategy is different, so don’t waste a lot of time defending your positions to others. I am going to do that as well. Discuss, debate but why should I bother defending what I am confident about.
Do the work.
Trust your work.
Let company execution prove you right or wrong. Applause Applause Applause
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
kenyan2019
#1744 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:11:29 AM
Rank: New-farer


Joined: 12/30/2018
Posts: 29
NSE top index sinks to a new year low https://www.the-star.co....inks-to-a-new-year-low/ via @thestarkenya
rwitre
#1745 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:22:58 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 3/8/2018
Posts: 327
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT

The Art of Holding


Stocks rarely perform in the time frames we predict, and it’s why the market only works for investors that have a long-term portfolio focus. Performance is never linear, up and to the right, year after year. You sometimes have to hold onto a position for a few years before it goes up 100% in 3 months.

“I’m accustomed to hanging around with a stock when the price is going nowhere. Most of the money I make is in the third or fourth year that I’ve owned something.” – Peter Lynch

Here is a real-life example: I started buying a company I own today in early 2012 when it was at $0.35-0.40 per share. As my conviction grew I bought more and by mid- 2014 the stock hit $2.00 per share. Today (January 2017), the stock is still at $2.00 per share. Yes, I’m up considerably from my average cost basis but this company has been dead money for 2.5 years. Years!

How do I know if I’m right in holding versus just being entrenched in endowment bias?

Let’s get back to some first principles. Sustainable multi-baggers have three characteristics: Long-term revenue and earnings growth with little to no dilution. When you are holding onto a position ask yourself – Is this business growing and making more money per share than it did a year ago, two years ago? In my real-life example above the company’s business is almost double the size it was 2.5 years ago. Yes, the stock hasn’t gone anywhere but the business is doing really well. I have no problem holding this stock. If the business wasn’t performing, I would sell. Successful investors can differentiate business performance from stock performance and can take advantage of those investors who can’t.

“I don’t want to spend my time trying to earn a lot of little profits. I want very, very big profits that I’m ready to wait for.” – Phil Fisher

In the book, The Art of Execution, portfolio manager Lee Freeman-Shor invests $25-$150 million ($1+ billion total) in 45 of the world’s top investors. His instructions to them were simple as there was just one rule. They could only invest in their ten best ideas. Over several years he tracked their positions, trades, performance and was amazed at what he saw. He identified both good and bad habits and divided the investors into groups – Rabbits, Assassins, Hunters, Raiders, and the most successful group, the Connoisseurs.

“The most successful investors I worked with, those who made the most money, all had one thing in common: the presence of a couple of big winners in their portfolios. Any approach that does not embrace the possibility of winning big is doomed.” – Lee Freeman-Shor

In this excerpt, Lee Freeman-Shor talks about one of the attributes of Connoisseurs.

“One of the key requirements of staying invested in a big winner is to have (or cultivate) a high boredom threshold.

Meeting some of my Connoisseurs could be very, very boring because nothing ever changed. They would talk about the same stocks they had been invested in for the past five years or longer. On the days I had a meeting scheduled with a Connoisseur, I sometimes struggled to get out of bed.

The fact is, most of us will find it difficult to emulate the Connoisseurs because we feel the need to do something when we get to the office (or home trading desk) every day. We look at stock price charts, listen to the latest market news on Bloomberg TV, and fool ourselves into believing we could add value from making a few small trades here and there. It is very hard to do nothing but focus on the same handful of companies every year; only researching new ideas on the side.

Many of us, seeing we have made a profit of 40% in one of our stocks, start actively looking for another company to invest the money into – instead of leaving it invested. This is precisely why lots of investors never become very successful.”

Every multi-bagger will have long periods (even years) of stagnation as fundamentals backfill, old shareholders get bored, and new shareholders enter. Just like a fine wine, sustainable multi-baggers often take their time to ascend and develop. If you’re invested in great businesses that continue to grow and earn more money, don’t let lulls in stock price and boredom scare you out of them.

https://microcapclub.com.../01/the-art-of-holding/


KQ is definitely what is being discussed here

Must be given "Long-term revenue and earnings growth with little to no dilution."
As we have seen KQ's revenues have been rising, earnings even more so. And no dilution of the shareholding.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
obiero
#1746 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2019 12:43:33 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 11,863
Location: nairobi
rwitre wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT

The Art of Holding


Stocks rarely perform in the time frames we predict, and it’s why the market only works for investors that have a long-term portfolio focus. Performance is never linear, up and to the right, year after year. You sometimes have to hold onto a position for a few years before it goes up 100% in 3 months.

“I’m accustomed to hanging around with a stock when the price is going nowhere. Most of the money I make is in the third or fourth year that I’ve owned something.” – Peter Lynch

Here is a real-life example: I started buying a company I own today in early 2012 when it was at $0.35-0.40 per share. As my conviction grew I bought more and by mid- 2014 the stock hit $2.00 per share. Today (January 2017), the stock is still at $2.00 per share. Yes, I’m up considerably from my average cost basis but this company has been dead money for 2.5 years. Years!

How do I know if I’m right in holding versus just being entrenched in endowment bias?

Let’s get back to some first principles. Sustainable multi-baggers have three characteristics: Long-term revenue and earnings growth with little to no dilution. When you are holding onto a position ask yourself – Is this business growing and making more money per share than it did a year ago, two years ago? In my real-life example above the company’s business is almost double the size it was 2.5 years ago. Yes, the stock hasn’t gone anywhere but the business is doing really well. I have no problem holding this stock. If the business wasn’t performing, I would sell. Successful investors can differentiate business performance from stock performance and can take advantage of those investors who can’t.

“I don’t want to spend my time trying to earn a lot of little profits. I want very, very big profits that I’m ready to wait for.” – Phil Fisher

In the book, The Art of Execution, portfolio manager Lee Freeman-Shor invests $25-$150 million ($1+ billion total) in 45 of the world’s top investors. His instructions to them were simple as there was just one rule. They could only invest in their ten best ideas. Over several years he tracked their positions, trades, performance and was amazed at what he saw. He identified both good and bad habits and divided the investors into groups – Rabbits, Assassins, Hunters, Raiders, and the most successful group, the Connoisseurs.

“The most successful investors I worked with, those who made the most money, all had one thing in common: the presence of a couple of big winners in their portfolios. Any approach that does not embrace the possibility of winning big is doomed.” – Lee Freeman-Shor

In this excerpt, Lee Freeman-Shor talks about one of the attributes of Connoisseurs.

“One of the key requirements of staying invested in a big winner is to have (or cultivate) a high boredom threshold.

Meeting some of my Connoisseurs could be very, very boring because nothing ever changed. They would talk about the same stocks they had been invested in for the past five years or longer. On the days I had a meeting scheduled with a Connoisseur, I sometimes struggled to get out of bed.

The fact is, most of us will find it difficult to emulate the Connoisseurs because we feel the need to do something when we get to the office (or home trading desk) every day. We look at stock price charts, listen to the latest market news on Bloomberg TV, and fool ourselves into believing we could add value from making a few small trades here and there. It is very hard to do nothing but focus on the same handful of companies every year; only researching new ideas on the side.

Many of us, seeing we have made a profit of 40% in one of our stocks, start actively looking for another company to invest the money into – instead of leaving it invested. This is precisely why lots of investors never become very successful.”

Every multi-bagger will have long periods (even years) of stagnation as fundamentals backfill, old shareholders get bored, and new shareholders enter. Just like a fine wine, sustainable multi-baggers often take their time to ascend and develop. If you’re invested in great businesses that continue to grow and earn more money, don’t let lulls in stock price and boredom scare you out of them.

https://microcapclub.com.../01/the-art-of-holding/


KQ is definitely what is being discussed here

Must be given "Long-term revenue and earnings growth with little to no dilution."
As we have seen KQ's revenues have been rising, earnings even more so. And no dilution of the shareholding.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Hehe.. Soon all shall be understood
COOP 5,500; KCB 3,700; KQ 221,100
VituVingiSana
#1747 Posted : Monday, July 01, 2019 11:10:21 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 16,053
Location: Nairobi
A link to the list she is referring to?

"A list of Kenya’s wealthiest families was published recently..."
https://www.businessdail...177036-fvbfr7/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
LevelUpLegal
#1748 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2019 6:16:00 PM
Rank: Hello


Joined: 5/23/2019
Posts: 4
wukan wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/capital/Foreign-net-inflows-back-NSE/4259442-5008914-f3mi62/index.html

Mini bull run coming


Reliable sources indicate CS Treasury is on the ropes, a few more blows he will on the floor. CBK gov will struggle for term 2. Get rid of those 2 and yeah a bull run will comesmile smile



Look at this genius,

kazi kwetu mawakili. Wish I was defending the bunch. I would have given each one in this forum a million bob. hehehe
wukan
#1749 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:22:59 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,128
LevelUpLegal wrote:
wukan wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/capital/Foreign-net-inflows-back-NSE/4259442-5008914-f3mi62/index.html

Mini bull run coming


Reliable sources indicate CS Treasury is on the ropes, a few more blows he will on the floor. CBK gov will struggle for term 2. Get rid of those 2 and yeah a bull run will comesmile smile



Look at this genius,

kazi kwetu mawakili. Wish I was defending the bunch. I would have given each one in this forum a million bob. hehehe


unfortunately wazua nowadays is always behind the curve. Very reactive instead of predictive like it used to.
Swenani
#1750 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:46:02 AM
Rank: User


Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,020
Location: Vacuum
LevelUpLegal wrote:
wukan wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/capital/Foreign-net-inflows-back-NSE/4259442-5008914-f3mi62/index.html

Mini bull run coming


Reliable sources indicate CS Treasury is on the ropes, a few more blows he will on the floor. CBK gov will struggle for term 2. Get rid of those 2 and yeah a bull run will comesmile smile



Look at this genius,

kazi kwetu mawakili. Wish I was defending the bunch. I would have given each one in this forum a million bob. hehehe

Applause Applause Applause Applause
Poverty is the root of all evil
VituVingiSana
#1751 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2019 3:10:09 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 16,053
Location: Nairobi
LevelUpLegal wrote:
wukan wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/capital/Foreign-net-inflows-back-NSE/4259442-5008914-f3mi62/index.html

Mini bull run coming


Reliable sources indicate CS Treasury is on the ropes, a few more blows he will on the floor. CBK gov will struggle for term 2. Get rid of those 2 and yeah a bull run will comesmile smile



Look at this genius,

kazi kwetu mawakili. Wish I was defending the bunch. I would have given each one in this forum a million bob. hehehe
@wukan was on the ball. When did he post it?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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