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M-Akiba treasury bonds via mobile
chiaroscuro
#381 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:56:34 AM
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Posts: 1,131
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
New tranche, M-Akiba bond; amount Kshs 500 million for infrastructure development. Tenor 3 years, coupon 10%pa payable semi-annually.

Max amount 140,000 mpesa, 999,999 pesalink


Is it a re-open or a new bond?

Has anyone seen the official announcement? If yes, please post it here.
murchr
#382 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2019 3:12:46 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,974
chiaroscuro wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
New tranche, M-Akiba bond; amount Kshs 500 million for infrastructure development. Tenor 3 years, coupon 10%pa payable semi-annually.

Max amount 140,000 mpesa, 999,999 pesalink


Is it a re-open or a new bond?

Has anyone seen the official announcement? If yes, please post it here.


Stop being lazy and search on the net. Ama uwache
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Impunity
#383 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2019 5:54:35 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,311
Location: Masada
shadowinvestor wrote:
Pesa link doesn't work, you are here sending cash daily to get 1mio- Useless system. it only works if you are investing kidogo cash


A truly asshole.
Just how do you mpesa say 10M?
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

wukan
#384 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2019 2:07:53 PM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,521
Interesting to see how Wanjiku is broke and dumb

https://www.businessdail...0006-9ul137z/index.html

Quote:
“The structure of M-Akiba uptake has about 68 percent of Kenyans taking up bonds worth between Sh3,000 and Sh20,000, while 24 percent of the investors bought bonds worth between Sh20,001 to Sh100,000, and the remaining eight percent invested above Sh100,000,” said CDSC.


@maka, explain this tweet from @geonal to Wanjiku

Quote:
So, the M-Akiba bond unit sells for 1.0382 plus settlement fees today...If Kes 10,000 earns 10% per year, it means the net income is 1000 less 420ish, which is KES 580 per year, before withdrawal fees? You give away money for a whole year to get 5.5.%? Lower than inflation.
NewMoney
#385 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2019 2:39:29 PM
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Joined: 3/1/2019
Posts: 169
Location: Nairobi
wukan wrote:
Interesting to see how Wanjiku is broke and dumb

https://www.businessdail...0006-9ul137z/index.html

Quote:
“The structure of M-Akiba uptake has about 68 percent of Kenyans taking up bonds worth between Sh3,000 and Sh20,000, while 24 percent of the investors bought bonds worth between Sh20,001 to Sh100,000, and the remaining eight percent invested above Sh100,000,” said CDSC.


@maka, explain this tweet from @geonal to Wanjiku

Quote:
So, the M-Akiba bond unit sells for 1.0382 plus settlement fees today...If Kes 10,000 earns 10% per year, it means the net income is 1000 less 420ish, which is KES 580 per year, before withdrawal fees? You give away money for a whole year to get 5.5.%? Lower than inflation.


Lower than inflation but better than keeping it in a bank account. Anyway, they should probably just go for fixed deposit accounts
tandich
#386 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:14:31 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 5/6/2008
Posts: 199
wukan wrote:
Interesting to see how Wanjiku is broke and dumb

https://www.businessdail...0006-9ul137z/index.html

Quote:
“The structure of M-Akiba uptake has about 68 percent of Kenyans taking up bonds worth between Sh3,000 and Sh20,000, while 24 percent of the investors bought bonds worth between Sh20,001 to Sh100,000, and the remaining eight percent invested above Sh100,000,” said CDSC.


@maka, explain this tweet from @geonal to Wanjiku

Quote:
So, the M-Akiba bond unit sells for 1.0382 plus settlement fees today...If Kes 10,000 earns 10% per year, it means the net income is 1000 less 420ish, which is KES 580 per year, before withdrawal fees? You give away money for a whole year to get 5.5.%? Lower than inflation.


I've gone ahead and checked and this was the result. Unless the guy was buying in the secondary market. Perhaps that's the dirty price.


maka
#387 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:53:59 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,519
Location: Nairobi
tandich wrote:
wukan wrote:
Interesting to see how Wanjiku is broke and dumb

https://www.businessdail...0006-9ul137z/index.html

Quote:
“The structure of M-Akiba uptake has about 68 percent of Kenyans taking up bonds worth between Sh3,000 and Sh20,000, while 24 percent of the investors bought bonds worth between Sh20,001 to Sh100,000, and the remaining eight percent invested above Sh100,000,” said CDSC.


@maka, explain this tweet from @geonal to Wanjiku

Quote:
So, the M-Akiba bond unit sells for 1.0382 plus settlement fees today...If Kes 10,000 earns 10% per year, it means the net income is 1000 less 420ish, which is KES 580 per year, before withdrawal fees? You give away money for a whole year to get 5.5.%? Lower than inflation.


I've gone ahead and checked and this was the result. Unless the guy was buying in the secondary market. Perhaps that's the dirty price.




Yep that's dirty price...
possunt quia posse videntur
chiaroscuro
#388 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2019 10:51:48 AM
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Posts: 1,131
Location: Nairobi
BTW: You're better off buy secondary instead of re-open3
Muthawamunene
#389 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:52:01 AM
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Posts: 264
Location: Nairobi
chiaroscuro wrote:
BTW: You're better off buy secondary instead of re-open3

Why? Please explain
sumuni
#390 Posted : Saturday, August 31, 2019 10:57:37 AM
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Posts: 111
Location: Afrique
chiaroscuro wrote:
BTW: You're better off buy secondary instead of re-open3

How's buying at, let's say 1.03987 per unit better than buying the unit at 1.00000??
It is a curious fact that of all the illusions that beset mankind, none is quite as curious as that tendency to suppose that we are mentally and morally superior to those who differ from us in opinion.
Taurrus
#391 Posted : Sunday, September 01, 2019 10:57:59 PM
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sumuni wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
BTW: You're better off buy secondary instead of re-open3

How's buying at, let's say 1.03987 per unit better than buying the unit at 1.00000??


Someone has said upthere 1.00000 is dirty price! that's why!
kayhara
#392 Posted : Monday, September 02, 2019 5:16:20 PM
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Posts: 1,059
sumuni wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
BTW: You're better off buy secondary instead of re-open3

How's buying at, let's say 1.03987 per unit better than buying the unit at 1.00000??

I found this on twitter by ⁦ @mungaikihanya explaining why buying on the secondary market is better
Why it's bettter to buy M-akiba from the secondary market instead of primary offer
To Each His Own
chiaroscuro
#393 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2019 2:49:10 PM
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Posts: 1,131
Location: Nairobi
sumuni wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
BTW: You're better off buy secondary instead of re-open3

How's buying at, let's say 1.03987 per unit better than buying the unit at 1.00000??


If you buy in the re-open at 1.000000000, you will miss out on the interest coming up on Monday 9th.

If you buy in the secondary at 1.048077 [today], will qualify for the interest coming up on Monday 9th.

Choose wisely.
tandich
#394 Posted : Wednesday, September 04, 2019 12:37:19 PM
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Posts: 199
chiaroscuro wrote:
sumuni wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
BTW: You're better off buy secondary instead of re-open3

How's buying at, let's say 1.03987 per unit better than buying the unit at 1.00000??


If you buy in the re-open at 1.000000000, you will miss out on the interest coming up on Monday 9th.

If you buy in the secondary at 1.048077 [today], will qualify for the interest coming up on Monday 9th.

Choose wisely.


Buy at 1.048077.
Interest .05

Hmmm!
Think
Impunity
#395 Posted : Monday, September 09, 2019 4:22:08 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,311
Location: Masada
What time today will it hit our accounts?
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

murchr
#396 Posted : Monday, September 09, 2019 4:35:39 PM
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Impunity wrote:
What time today will it hit our accounts?


Are you talking about the interest? Is it today or 30?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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winmak
#397 Posted : Monday, September 09, 2019 5:30:51 PM
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Location: Nakuru
murchr wrote:
Impunity wrote:
What time today will it hit our accounts?


Are you talking about the interest? Is it today or 30?

30th
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
Muthawamunene
#398 Posted : Monday, September 09, 2019 10:30:34 PM
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Location: Nairobi
It's today.
Mine just came in.
Feeling good about it.

My first bond payment. Saving a screenshot for posterity.
Impunity
#399 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:37:31 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,311
Location: Masada
Muthawamunene wrote:
It's today.
Mine just came in.
Feeling good about it.

My first bond payment. Saving a screenshot for posterity.


Got "kaching" sound jana at 1030pm...small token enough to buy half mbuzi.
smile smile

So this thing works.

Next time I am going full in, head plus shoulder.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

chiaroscuro
#400 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:46:03 PM
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Joined: 2/2/2012
Posts: 1,131
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
Muthawamunene wrote:
It's today.
Mine just came in.
Feeling good about it.

My first bond payment. Saving a screenshot for posterity.


Got "kaching" sound jana at 1030pm...small token enough to buy half mbuzi.
smile smile

So this thing works.

Next time I am going full in, head plus shoulder.


Yangu bado. Navile niko na nyingi.....
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