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David Ndii
FRM2011
#61 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 2:35:00 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,458
Liv wrote:
My views...Ndii is not interested in secession. He is a strategist and he has political ambitions.. He has seen beyond Uhuru Kenyatta regime.

We don't know what he has said or done in order to be arrested....but he must have been aware the NIS were following his every move. Through these arrests and the so called 'persecution' his Brand becomes more known.

After 2022.... He will come out forcefully against the Ruto Admin and bring the agikuyu and luo nations together like Kibaki did.... History repeating itself...an economist will become president again...replacing a kalenjin in 2027 or 2032...hoping baba will say Tosha again.... Talk of strategy...lol




Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause This is a perspective I like. It doesn't have to be true. But the thought process behind it is worth commendation.
AlphDoti
#62 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 2:48:31 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,247
Location: Kenya
FRM2011 wrote:
murchr wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Amores wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Madam Admin,

If this was 5 years ago, there could be Wazuans who would be looking at Ndii's arrest as a piece of a giant jigsaw puzzle that most Kenyans cannot and will never see. They would be driving the conversation trying to figure out where the piece belongs in the big scheme of things.

Make no mistake, the occasional ignoramus would crash the party, loud and uncultured, and the wise men would pull back. He (the ignoramus) would not even see the jigsaw puzzle let alone know where to place the puzzling piece. His grasp of issues was/is always karumaindo-ish. And he would claw back quietly to the dark hole of ignorance he came from.

And that is how wazua became the Runda of internet forums. When one of those "downtown" forums was closed, their members could not fit in here.

Now the wise men went quiet. And the "karumaindo" gang drives the conversations.

As auditors, we have a standard called ISA 570. It requires the auditor to assess the ability of an entity to continue operating as a going concern.



This is Hubris.


I have never claimed to be a wise man. But we have had contributors in wazua who always left me in awe. Guys who would always give a perspective that we can never read in newspapers.

@masukuma's thoughts on culture are in a class of their own. I once took a serious client for lunch and the discussion went to matters of culture. I "borrowed" and shared @masukuma's material with him and that old man has never looked at me the same way. He has invited me severally to join his social circle.

Right now we know Ndii was arrested. I would want to read whether the ODPP can realistically bring a solid case against him. Not the political theatrics.

We have so many questions. Does it mean the govt is worried about the people's assembly ? If not, what message was the govt sending by arresting him. Who was the message intended for ? And so many more.

We used to get answers to such questions before. And very illuminating perspectives. Not any more.

I am meeting a couple of guys in the afternoon. When Ndii's matter comes up for discussion, all I have is @harrydre's Karumaindo opinion.

So you are mad coz wazuans are not giving you content for discussion out there? Laughing out loudly

Actually I prefer picking the minds of people more intelligent than I am. Why else would I be here ? Its a marketplace of ideas. You go to a market that sells that which you desire but don't have.

I agree with @FRM2011... I'm also an old member here... We used to have very, very sober posts... even kina @guka used to have good posts before he became a tribal... We even wonder if he's the same old pijuti guy!
Museveni
#63 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 3:07:09 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 8/16/2012
Posts: 657
AlphDoti wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
murchr wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Amores wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Madam Admin,

If this was 5 years ago, there could be Wazuans who would be looking at Ndii's arrest as a piece of a giant jigsaw puzzle that most Kenyans cannot and will never see. They would be driving the conversation trying to figure out where the piece belongs in the big scheme of things.

Make no mistake, the occasional ignoramus would crash the party, loud and uncultured, and the wise men would pull back. He (the ignoramus) would not even see the jigsaw puzzle let alone know where to place the puzzling piece. His grasp of issues was/is always karumaindo-ish. And he would claw back quietly to the dark hole of ignorance he came from.

And that is how wazua became the Runda of internet forums. When one of those "downtown" forums was closed, their members could not fit in here.

Now the wise men went quiet. And the "karumaindo" gang drives the conversations.

As auditors, we have a standard called ISA 570. It requires the auditor to assess the ability of an entity to continue operating as a going concern.



This is Hubris.


I have never claimed to be a wise man. But we have had contributors in wazua who always left me in awe. Guys who would always give a perspective that we can never read in newspapers.

@masukuma's thoughts on culture are in a class of their own. I once took a serious client for lunch and the discussion went to matters of culture. I "borrowed" and shared @masukuma's material with him and that old man has never looked at me the same way. He has invited me severally to join his social circle.

Right now we know Ndii was arrested. I would want to read whether the ODPP can realistically bring a solid case against him. Not the political theatrics.

We have so many questions. Does it mean the govt is worried about the people's assembly ? If not, what message was the govt sending by arresting him. Who was the message intended for ? And so many more.

We used to get answers to such questions before. And very illuminating perspectives. Not any more.

I am meeting a couple of guys in the afternoon. When Ndii's matter comes up for discussion, all I have is @harrydre's Karumaindo opinion.

So you are mad coz wazuans are not giving you content for discussion out there? Laughing out loudly

Actually I prefer picking the minds of people more intelligent than I am. Why else would I be here ? Its a marketplace of ideas. You go to a market that sells that which you desire but don't have.

I agree with @FRM2011... I'm also an old member here... We used to have very, very sober posts... even kina @guka used to have good posts before he became a tribal... We even wonder if he's the same old pijuti guy!

Most of the opinions in the green section are heavy with post election blues.

All content is seemingly through opaque goggles.

The arrest of Ndii is pure scaremongering tactics. His stance on CORRUPTION is well documented for anyone willing to search. He has made his mark.

When the people at the forefront in fighting for social justice are being harassed there is nothing to smile about or cheer to. It is a sad day.

Are we (collectively on the forum) ok with an arrest of John Githongo also ?

Not long before the elections the two refused to participate in a state funded discussion on corruption at the house on a hill.

We all have the freedom to express and say whatever we can on the forum and Frm2011 has stated his point of view of the quality discussion. We may disagree on opinion but at least he has backed his point of view with some facts.

If one has to disagree the least they should do is counter with facts and not focus on him.
Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Iganamagana
#64 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 3:08:20 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 3/27/2009
Posts: 1,422
Liv wrote:
washiku wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Liv wrote:
My views...Ndii is not interested in secession. He is a strategist and he has political ambitions.. He has seen beyond Uhuru Kenyatta regime.

We don't know what he has said or done in order to be arrested....but he must have been aware the NIS were following his every move. Through these arrests and the so called 'persecution' his Brand becomes more known.

After 2022.... He will come out forcefully against the Ruto Admin and bring the agikuyu and luo nations together like Kibaki did.... History repeating itself...an economist will become president again...replacing a kalenjin in 2027 or 2032...hoping baba will say Tosha again.... Talk of strategy...lol



Not impossible...some weeks ago, a friend was pointing out to the similarity of Ndii's loyalty and prominence in Raila's group to that of Simba wa Nyeri-Ngunjiri Wambugu- sometime back

Let's wait and see


So in essence wanatumia baba vibaya eeh? You create a name using him then you chomoka and demonize him. By the way how come it did not work for Miguna?



Miguna is still WIP...his name is now a household name... if he will stand for Nairobi Governor position on ODM/NASA ticket, he will win in a landslide.... people will be very tired of Sonko just the same way they were of Kidero.


Miguna and his English can not fit in Nairobi politics (or even Nyanza). Furthermore, he is too arrogant and politics requires someone who can hide this "weakness".
Lolest!
#65 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 3:09:29 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 12,046
Location: Kianjokoma
Makes one feel like puking if you analyse some characters who are pontificating about values they don't have here
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Gathige
#66 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 3:11:18 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 2,176
AlphDoti wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
murchr wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Amores wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Madam Admin,

If this was 5 years ago, there could be Wazuans who would be looking at Ndii's arrest as a piece of a giant jigsaw puzzle that most Kenyans cannot and will never see. They would be driving the conversation trying to figure out where the piece belongs in the big scheme of things.

Make no mistake, the occasional ignoramus would crash the party, loud and uncultured, and the wise men would pull back. He (the ignoramus) would not even see the jigsaw puzzle let alone know where to place the puzzling piece. His grasp of issues was/is always karumaindo-ish. And he would claw back quietly to the dark hole of ignorance he came from.

And that is how wazua became the Runda of internet forums. When one of those "downtown" forums was closed, their members could not fit in here.

Now the wise men went quiet. And the "karumaindo" gang drives the conversations.

As auditors, we have a standard called ISA 570. It requires the auditor to assess the ability of an entity to continue operating as a going concern.



This is Hubris.


I have never claimed to be a wise man. But we have had contributors in wazua who always left me in awe. Guys who would always give a perspective that we can never read in newspapers.

@masukuma's thoughts on culture are in a class of their own. I once took a serious client for lunch and the discussion went to matters of culture. I "borrowed" and shared @masukuma's material with him and that old man has never looked at me the same way. He has invited me severally to join his social circle.

Right now we know Ndii was arrested. I would want to read whether the ODPP can realistically bring a solid case against him. Not the political theatrics.

We have so many questions. Does it mean the govt is worried about the people's assembly ? If not, what message was the govt sending by arresting him. Who was the message intended for ? And so many more.

We used to get answers to such questions before. And very illuminating perspectives. Not any more.

I am meeting a couple of guys in the afternoon. When Ndii's matter comes up for discussion, all I have is @harrydre's Karumaindo opinion.

So you are mad coz wazuans are not giving you content for discussion out there? Laughing out loudly

Actually I prefer picking the minds of people more intelligent than I am. Why else would I be here ? Its a marketplace of ideas. You go to a market that sells that which you desire but don't have.

I agree with @FRM2011... I'm also an old member here... We used to have very, very sober posts... even kina @guka used to have good posts before he became a tribal... We even wonder if he's the same old pijuti guy!


Let he who is clean through the first stone.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
eboomerang
#67 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 3:13:19 PM
Rank: Member


Joined: 6/27/2011
Posts: 299
Location: Nairobi
quicksand wrote:
muganda wrote:


Wueeeh!Anxious Anxious Anxious
She looks like she eats nails for breakfast. Very tough lady.


Weh ! ata mimi nimeshangaa Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Came out guns blazing...
simonkabz
#68 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 3:31:44 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2007
Posts: 8,734
Location: Cameroon
FRM2011 wrote:

Madam Admin,

If this was 5 years ago, there could be Wazuans who would be looking at Ndii's arrest as a piece of a giant jigsaw puzzle that most Kenyans cannot and will never see. They would be driving the conversation trying to figure out where the piece belongs in the big scheme of things.

Make no mistake, the occasional ignoramus would crash the party, loud and uncultured, and the wise men would pull back. He (the ignoramus) would not even see the jigsaw puzzle let alone know where to place the puzzling piece. His grasp of issues was/is always karumaindo-ish. And he would claw back quietly to the dark hole of ignorance he came from.

And that is how wazua became the Runda of internet forums. When one of those "downtown" forums was closed, their members could not fit in here.

Now the wise men went quiet. And the "karumaindo" gang drives the conversations.

As auditors, we have a standard called ISA 570. It requires the auditor to assess the ability of an entity to continue operating as a going concern.



Little man,you think very highly of yourself. Everybody who supports the president is a "sycophant" bla bla bla aiiiii

Kwenda huko, kwenda kabisa.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
simonkabz
#69 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 3:35:46 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2007
Posts: 8,734
Location: Cameroon
eboomerang wrote:
quicksand wrote:
muganda wrote:


Wueeeh!Anxious Anxious Anxious
She looks like she eats nails for breakfast. Very tough lady.


Weh ! ata mimi nimeshangaa Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Came out guns blazing...


Is she Njehu Gatabaki's sister?

Njehu Should be David Murathe's brother in law. There was a time the old Murathe (may he RIP) used to boast of his clout in parliament......a son and 2 sons in law, all in parliament at the same time (David, AAA Ekirapa and Njehu)
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
wukan
#70 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 4:06:39 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,450
murchr wrote:

So it was you guys? Skyscraper is now dead no longer a forum for project discussion rather a picture sharing forum with cheerleaders and bully gossips. Anyway, I show up and post however I want and your bullying doesn't stop me.

I was not one of the bully gossips but each neighborhood has its standardssmile smile . I love skyscraper it has many progressive ideas on real estate and urban landscape. Politics is least tolerated only development conscious ideas are entertained.

I like the freedom in Wazua lately. Members should not be forced to think in a certain way or post only certain stuff.
This I agree with wazua but remember how toxic stockskenya was during 2007 elections. It had to be re-branded into wazua. After the re-brand wazua became a posh forum with separation of sections. Quality of posts also matters in bringing credibility to a forum. I know my pals in the corporate world who used to be scared stiff when wazua discussed their companies.

What's special with Ndii's arrest anyway? Let the cops do their job, any one is free tho to talk about it and express their opinion
What's special about Ndii's arrest is that he is a public intellectual like most of us on wazua. When intellectuals are intimidated then wise men shut up-fools rush in. @masukuma had put a nice video of what happens when the wise shut up.





simonkabz
#71 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 4:31:57 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2007
Posts: 8,734
Location: Cameroon
wukan wrote:
murchr wrote:

So it was you guys? Skyscraper is now dead no longer a forum for project discussion rather a picture sharing forum with cheerleaders and bully gossips. Anyway, I show up and post however I want and your bullying doesn't stop me.

I was not one of the bully gossips but each neighborhood has its standardssmile smile . I love skyscraper it has many progressive ideas on real estate and urban landscape. Politics is least tolerated only development conscious ideas are entertained.

I like the freedom in Wazua lately. Members should not be forced to think in a certain way or post only certain stuff.
This I agree with wazua but remember how toxic stockskenya was during 2007 elections. It had to be re-branded into wazua. After the re-brand wazua became a posh forum with separation of sections. Quality of posts also matters in bringing credibility to a forum. I know my pals in the corporate world who used to be scared stiff when wazua discussed their companies.

What's special with Ndii's arrest anyway? Let the cops do their job, any one is free tho to talk about it and express their opinion
What's special about Ndii's arrest is that he is a public intellectual like most of us on wazua. When intellectuals are intimidated then wise men shut up-fools rush in. @masukuma had put a nice video of what happens when the wise shut up.







Ati kii? I thought the fella is a mere mortal like all of us? So you mean to say criminal or deviant intellectuals must not be arrested?

He's just an ordinary fella, but with a twisted mind and a dark heart. I like how the Late Governor described his 'voo doo' economics and endless, bitter dishonest rants.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Museveni
#72 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 4:45:40 PM
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Joined: 8/16/2012
Posts: 657
Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
2012
#73 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 5:08:13 PM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
Museveni wrote:


So, what are the charges?

BBI will solve it
:)
muganda
#74 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58:31 PM
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Joined: 9/15/2006
Posts: 3,871
Jump-steady
#75 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 6:04:11 PM
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Joined: 12/1/2008
Posts: 1,097
2012 wrote:
Museveni wrote:


So, what are the charges?


They are probably browsing through article 1. I think it allows for bail no matter what the crime may be.smile
murchr
#76 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 6:15:43 PM
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Posts: 15,756
muganda wrote:


The smile tells it, no one wants to be in custody no matter who you are.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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harrydre
#77 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 6:33:46 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/10/2008
Posts: 9,114
Location: Kanjo
quicksand wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Amores wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Madam Admin,

If this was 5 years ago, there could be Wazuans who would be looking at Ndii's arrest as a piece of a giant jigsaw puzzle that most Kenyans cannot and will never see. They would be driving the conversation trying to figure out where the piece belongs in the big scheme of things.

Make no mistake, the occasional ignoramus would crash the party, loud and uncultured, and the wise men would pull back. He (the ignoramus) would not even see the jigsaw puzzle let alone know where to place the puzzling piece. His grasp of issues was/is always karumaindo-ish. And he would claw back quietly to the dark hole of ignorance he came from.

And that is how wazua became the Runda of internet forums. When one of those "downtown" forums was closed, their members could not fit in here.

Now the wise men went quiet. And the "karumaindo" gang drives the conversations.

As auditors, we have a standard called ISA 570. It requires the auditor to assess the ability of an entity to continue operating as a going concern.



This is Hubris.


I have never claimed to be a wise man. But we have had contributors in wazua who always left me in awe. Guys who would always give a perspective that we can never read in newspapers.

@masukuma's thoughts on culture are in a class of their own. I once took a serious client for lunch and the discussion went to matters of culture. I "borrowed" and shared @masukuma's material with him and that old man has never looked at me the same way. He has invited me severally to join his social circle.

Right now we know Ndii was arrested. I would want to read whether the ODPP can realistically bring a solid case against him. Not the political theatrics.

We have so many questions. Does it mean the govt is worried about the people's assembly ? If not, what message was the govt sending by arresting him. Who was the message intended for ? And so many more.

We used to get answers to such questions before. And very illuminating perspectives. Not any more.

I am meeting a couple of guys in the afternoon. When Ndii's matter comes up for discussion, all I have is @harrydre's Karumaindo opinion.


Calling @harrydre's input karumaindoish is exactly the kind of hubris Amores is referring to. You have appointed yourself the judge of other people's opinions, in effect decreeing what has weight and what doesn't without countering or dissecting the substance of the argument. Its cleverly crafted, dog-whistle invective reeking of pretentious standoffishness.



He can go and sit on a pin.

Plotting to overthrow a democratically elected government or swearing in a parallel one is Treason as per the laws of the land punishable by death. Kama nyinyi ni wanaume, try it on the 12th tuone.
R.I.P John Lewis
Museveni
#78 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 7:34:33 PM
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Joined: 8/16/2012
Posts: 657
Jump-steady wrote:
2012 wrote:
Museveni wrote:


So, what are the charges?


They are probably browsing through article 1. I think it allows for bail no matter what the crime may be.smile




Charges? What charges?
Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
hardwood
#79 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 7:44:18 PM
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Amores
#80 Posted : Monday, December 04, 2017 8:03:51 PM
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Joined: 11/25/2011
Posts: 2,098
Location: Nrb
FRM2011 wrote:
Liv wrote:
My views...Ndii is not interested in secession. He is a strategist and he has political ambitions.. He has seen beyond Uhuru Kenyatta regime.

We don't know what he has said or done in order to be arrested....but he must have been aware the NIS were following his every move. Through these arrests and the so called 'persecution' his Brand becomes more known.

After 2022.... He will come out forcefully against the Ruto Admin and bring the agikuyu and luo nations together like Kibaki did.... History repeating itself...an economist will become president again...replacing a kalenjin in 2027 or 2032...hoping baba will say Tosha again.... Talk of strategy...lol




Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause This is a perspective I like. It doesn't have to be true. But the thought process behind it is worth commendation.



@@ Liv, wacha ndoto. Ndii can't unite sh*t, heck, he couldn't even articulate NRM manifesto. See what's happening huko NRM na small viti za mbunge and Senate mpaka other voting blocks in NRM are complaining( interesting @FRM has not told us what cooking, he is just lecturing us about quality of posts) See what happened to Kina Keeter, ama anaitwa nani that Kaleyo who was ejected from an ODM meeting for saying Raila should not run? Huko kuna wenyewe bana.
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