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Maumau fiasco
#81 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:17:21 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
masukuma wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:

Are you blaming the poor for being poor?Are you saying that he is poor because he is lazy?Shame on you Shame on you Hii mambo ya accepting and moving on is what caused the PEV of 2007.The maumau fiasco is a historical injustice.

did I say that? I just said as you said it somewhere - a poor person has options and choices to make. his are harder if he wants to escape poverty - but he should better get moving!

A poor person has no options. He can barely feed himself.Rich people have all the options.I see hundreds of Mathare residents who walk from mathare to westlands or parklands. Do you think they are walking by choice?

@peterreborn, I get where you are coming from but @masukuch is right. If you saw my earlier post, am equally bitter since my grandpa served 7 years at manyani but got nothing.

My lesson is simple. Work on improving myself. Should there be another national struggle akin to freedom struggle or the fight for multi parties, be smart; watch from the sidelines. Case in point; jeremia kiereini vs my grandpa or koigi wamwere vs mwai Kibaki.

#82 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:47:28 PM
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#83 Posted : Saturday, March 26, 2016 8:34:24 AM
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The sad thing about the maumau and so many of us now, is that we think that the fight for freedom is about property and wealth. Hence some will exhort those who feel oppressed to work 3 or 4 times harder.

Others believe that they can avoid political struggle and watch from the sidelines, but this is by itself a delusion and a sign that so many of us are politically unschooled or miseducated.

Maumau are a fiasco because they didn't understand the politics of knowledge. Military force will always be subordinate to knowledge and its politics.

Political struggle is about seeking, creating, distributing, controlling and maintaining adaptive knowledge in the body politic. Nowadays for example, military operations follow psychological operations which are essentially knowledge based. Whoever has the upper hand in terms of knowledge can direct other forces and in effect becomes the elite.

It appears then that liberation can't be a once and for all thing, and that clinging to history is absurd. Again, what we call the second liberation is no liberation at all if we consider the effects of multipartism on the politics and sociology of knowledge. Like now many rely on Baba for truth just like in the past before multipartism when Baba still dictated what we knew as truth.

The new elites who took independence and who've governed to present were not liberated and aren't the voice of liberation because they have only affirmed the knowledge of the colonizers and oppressors. Critical citizens do not question this knowledge but continually affirm it, and even more they get easily fooled with money.

Fiasco. Fiasco.
#84 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 8:48:50 PM
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#85 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:10:45 PM
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#86 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2019 9:31:38 PM
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As the discussions at Lancaster House wore on, it was clear that a major remaining stumbling block was the European settler community. The British Government told us plainly that the only way it could give us independence was if we promised the farmers that we would pay them for their land, buy them out in other words. They had calculated a value of £36 million. That sounds like nothing today but it was a fortune in 1962. I said: “But we don’t have the money.”

No, they said, we’ll give you the money. Good God, I said, we could never afford to pay it back. They said: “Who’s asking for it back? We don’t want it back. We want to give it to you, and every year we’ll write a bit off until the whole lot is written off. We don’t want the British here to say we called you Mau Mau, and now we’re giving you money! You must buy the land from the European farmers on a ‘willing buyer and willing seller’ basis. So when they are willing to sell, you buy.”

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#87 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2019 12:14:38 AM
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Very interesting tread and the behind the scenes deals.
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