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IEBC showdown today!!!!!!!!
Angelica _ann
#281 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:50:06 AM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 6,717
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Sasa huyu Wafula Chebukati has been an ODM life member until a month ago and a staunch baba supporter and even ran on an ODM ticket in 2007. With such a history, how can we trust him to conduct a free and fair election where baba is a candidate?

http://www.the-star.co.k...s-vetting-team_c1485296

elections have very little to do with the chairperson! once the ball starts rolling... there is very little that they can do to turn the wheel. the ball is rolling... things are moving... remember kivuitu? kazi ya huyu itakuwa kupewa karatasi asome!


Can you imagine a die-hard ohuru supporter and TNA life member and previous TNA mp candidate being appointed as the referee between ohuru and baba? Right now baba would be on the streets with mass action to protest appointing 'ohuru friend" to the post. He would be demanding a neutral referee.

yes... the would be mistaken... they would make noise but would be mistaken. They would probably engage in activities like protest to kick him/her out and end up doing so but would not add or minus anything in the grand scheme of things. kwa ufupi it would useless.


Even kicking out Isaack Hassan was ill-advised. How do you replace experienced commissioners just few months to the voting day?
Why didn't they agitate for changes in 2015 or earlier?

CORD/NASA/NASWA are in for a surprise on this one. You need a probation period on any job ..... then you map out things. Anyway let us wait and see. Though i strongly believe (without evidence) that IEBC is 'run' more/better by the Secretariat than Commissioners.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Nandwa
#282 Posted : Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:02:44 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 11/17/2009
Posts: 823
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Sasa huyu Wafula Chebukati has been an ODM life member until a month ago and a staunch baba supporter and even ran on an ODM ticket in 2007. With such a history, how can we trust him to conduct a free and fair election where baba is a candidate?

http://www.the-star.co.k...s-vetting-team_c1485296

elections have very little to do with the chairperson! once the ball starts rolling... there is very little that they can do to turn the wheel. the ball is rolling... things are moving... remember kivuitu? kazi ya huyu itakuwa kupewa karatasi asome!


Can you imagine a die-hard ohuru supporter and TNA life member and previous TNA mp candidate being appointed as the referee between ohuru and baba? Right now baba would be on the streets with mass action to protest appointing 'ohuru friend" to the post. He would be demanding a neutral referee.

yes... the would be mistaken... they would make noise but would be mistaken. They would probably engage in activities like protest to kick him/her out and end up doing so but would not add or minus anything in the grand scheme of things. kwa ufupi it would useless.


Even kicking out Isaack Hassan was ill-advised. How do you replace experienced commissioners just few months to the voting day?
Why didn't they agitate for changes in 2015 or earlier?


But its obvious!
There is a plan to it.

Precipitate an artificial crisis, and set it for failure, then pandemonium then demand things.

PM pap
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
FRM2011
#283 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 10:58:13 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 1,377

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.
masukuma
#284 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 12:02:39 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 11,307
Location: Nairobi
FRM2011 wrote:

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.

the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]?

a couple of things

1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them.

2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it!

3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them?

4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes.


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FRM2011
#285 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 12:34:22 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 1,377
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.

the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]?

a couple of things

1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them.

2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it!

3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them?

4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes.




Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognise you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ?
masukuma
#286 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 12:54:33 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 11,307
Location: Nairobi
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.

the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]?

a couple of things

1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them.

2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it!

3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them?

4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes.




Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognize you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ?

ballots are not issued to polling stations vururu mtende! each polling station has limits based on persons who registered to vote and there is accounting afterwards! a voter can (should be given 6 ballots... president,national assembly rep, senator, women rep, MCAs, gafana)
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Gathige
#287 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 1:47:56 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 1,305
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.

the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]?

a couple of things

1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them.

2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it!

3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them?

4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes.




Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognize you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ?

ballots are not issued to polling stations vururu mtende! each polling station has limits based on persons who registered to vote and there is accounting afterwards! a voter can (should be given 6 ballots... president,national assembly rep, senator, women rep, MCAs, gafana)



Again this is where the party agents become critical. Assume like 2 million mwitu ballots are sneaked into the system and distributed in the strongholds. It is the role of the party agents to be hawk eyed to ensure fair play. If the party agents are compromised and look the other way, a compromised clerk can issue multiple ballots.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
masukuma
#288 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 2:05:34 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 11,307
Location: Nairobi
Gathige wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.

the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]?

a couple of things

1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them.

2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it!

3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them?

4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes.




Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognize you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ?

ballots are not issued to polling stations vururu mtende! each polling station has limits based on persons who registered to vote and there is accounting afterwards! a voter can (should be given 6 ballots... president,national assembly rep, senator, women rep, MCAs, gafana)



Again this is where the party agents become critical. Assume like 2 million mwitu ballots are sneaked into the system and distributed in the strongholds. It is the role of the party agents to be hawk eyed to ensure fair play. If the party agents are compromised and look the other way, a compromised clerk can issue multiple ballots.

yes - that too! elections have multiple stakeholders (voters, candidates e.t.c). they are not supposed to be passive!
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sitaki.kujulikana
#289 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 3:30:44 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/25/2012
Posts: 1,572
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.

the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]?

a couple of things

1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them.

2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it!

3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them?

4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes.




Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognise you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ?

don't mean to sound rude, lakini @masukuma has clearly said biometrics is ONLY for verifying, and he has also said we do not have "electric ballot dispensers".
hata kama ni culture ya 'kusomewa' smile it is clear from his response, he has also stated there are polling day procedures, of course a polling clerk can give you the papers, hata zote za polling station anaweza kupea, maybe I am proud lkini mambo ingine ni kusoma na kuelewa, unless kuna point you are trying to force through smile
FRM2011
#290 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 7:16:43 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 1,377
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.

the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]?

a couple of things

1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them.

2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it!

3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them?

4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes.




Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognise you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ?

don't mean to sound rude, lakini @masukuma has clearly said biometrics is ONLY for verifying, and he has also said we do not have "electric ballot dispensers".
hata kama ni culture ya 'kusomewa' smile it is clear from his response, he has also stated there are polling day procedures, of course a polling clerk can give you the papers, hata zote za polling station anaweza kupea, maybe I am proud lkini mambo ingine ni kusoma na kuelewa, unless kuna point you are trying to force through smile


Had you taken time to read full thread, you'd have noticed i was asking @masukuma advice in reference to the article whose link i had provided.

Now, why @masukuma ? Because he is an elections professional who shares his "very informed" opinions freely.

The day i need to know a thing or two about tender-preneurship, trust me i will humbly seek your advice. For now, please take a seat and listen to the expert on election matters.

Have a great weekend.
alma1
#291 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 7:35:38 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 1,394
Location: hapo
FRM2011 wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.

the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]?

a couple of things

1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them.

2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it!

3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them?

4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes.




Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognise you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ?

don't mean to sound rude, lakini @masukuma has clearly said biometrics is ONLY for verifying, and he has also said we do not have "electric ballot dispensers".
hata kama ni culture ya 'kusomewa' smile it is clear from his response, he has also stated there are polling day procedures, of course a polling clerk can give you the papers, hata zote za polling station anaweza kupea, maybe I am proud lkini mambo ingine ni kusoma na kuelewa, unless kuna point you are trying to force through smile


Had you taken time to read full thread, you'd have noticed i was asking @masukuma advice in reference to the article whose link i had provided.

Now, why @masukuma ? Because he is an elections professional who shares his "very informed" opinions freely.

The day i need to know a thing or two about tender-preneurship, trust me i will humbly seek your advice. For now, please take a seat and listen to the expert on election matters.

Have a great weekend.



Let's get a few things straight here...

Masukuma has written a story on a newspaper. Masukuma is just giving an opinion..

A few things here

1. Masukuma has sold himself as very good in statistics...Most of us believe that he knows more math than we do

However, Masukuma has been very candid about hating the new constitution...

In fact, if you look at his views against Ruto, they are equal and precise.

When you dig further, he's the same fellow who keeps on telling us that love in Rift Valley shall only occur when Kikuyus in that region bow down to the leader.

Know where an argument is coming from.

Masukuma is right in my view about backups...But at the same time, this is Kenya...So there must be a neutral point of agreement.

IEBC must and their only work must be ONE. And one only.

Employ Itumbi and let him run their cyberops....

Coz I don't care how free and fair they think they are...

If Raila wins, Uhuruto shall complain
If Uhuru wins, NASA shall complain

Masukuma knows very well it's not about the math and the logic...But the perception of the logic.

That's why KBC cannot show Nasa rallies but can show a card being launched.

Perception..

If I think you are stealing, no amount of math and software or bibles shall change my mind.

In my view, that's the problem with voting in Kenya...

Our institutions don't instill anything other than fear. That's why when you are arrested by a cop, you want to run or call mkubwa. Not discuss with the cop why you think he's wrong as normal human beings do worldwide.

It's about perception...

And my perception is, we are going to go through one of the most difficult times in our history since it's so damn close that we need honest people who say what they want to say and not people like Masukuma who are paid to come up with strange ideas from a point of view that is warped and wrong.

Na Masukuma, next time you write in a paper, please have a disclaimer if you got a tender.

mmhhhh.

#nimenena
murchr
#292 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 8:26:55 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 10,856
No need of attacking Masukuma for informing us on what is true. Most people argue from a point of NO information and understanding
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma1
#293 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 8:53:14 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 1,394
Location: hapo
murchr wrote:
No need of attacking Masukuma for informing us on what is true. Most people argue from a point of NO information and understanding


I've highlighted your thoughts

Who told you it's true..

I trust Masukuma coz he says what he believes.

But

At the same time I'm also conscious of what his truth means to him.

This is a Kagwanja vs Ndii moment.

Just because he has statistics, can he change his statistics to his point of view?

I do that all the time.

Like I said, I totally agree with his point on voter registration in digital not meaning voter vote count manually...

But I have to ask myself.

In view of his apparent skewed opinions which are exactly what Ruto thinks..Which I totally disagree with

I'm I being led to the slaughter house?

Just asking like a sheep that is wondering..

By the way, after he answers, this sheep shall know exactly what's happening.
#nimenena
sitaki.kujulikana
#294 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 9:31:16 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/25/2012
Posts: 1,572
FRM2011 wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373

@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.

the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]?

a couple of things

1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them.

2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it!

3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them?

4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes.




Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognise you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ?

don't mean to sound rude, lakini @masukuma has clearly said biometrics is ONLY for verifying, and he has also said we do not have "electric ballot dispensers".
hata kama ni culture ya 'kusomewa' smile it is clear from his response, he has also stated there are polling day procedures, of course a polling clerk can give you the papers, hata zote za polling station anaweza kupea, maybe I am proud lkini mambo ingine ni kusoma na kuelewa, unless kuna point you are trying to force through smile


Had you taken time to read full thread, you'd have noticed i was asking @masukuma advice in reference to the article whose link i had provided.

Now, why @masukuma ? Because he is an elections professional who shares his "very informed" opinions freely.

The day i need to know a thing or two about tender-preneurship, trust me i will humbly seek your advice. For now, please take a seat and listen to the expert on election matters.

Have a great weekend.

Enjoy your weekend also, remember don't drink and drive. smile
murchr
#295 Posted : Saturday, January 14, 2017 3:50:27 AM
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alma1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
No need of attacking Masukuma for informing us on what is true. Most people argue from a point of NO information and understanding


I've highlighted your thoughts

Who told you it's true..

I trust Masukuma coz he says what he believes.

But

At the same time I'm also conscious of what his truth means to him.

This is a Kagwanja vs Ndii moment
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Just because he has statistics, can he change his statistics to his point of view?

I do that all the time.

Like I said, I totally agree with his point on voter registration in digital not meaning voter vote count manually...

But I have to ask myself.

In view of his apparent skewed opinions which are exactly what Ruto thinks..Which I totally disagree with

I'm I being led to the slaughter house?

Just asking like a sheep that is wondering..

By the way, after he answers, this sheep shall know exactly what's happening.


Those two play to the gallery, I dont bother with any of their unsolicited opinions they just play the tune called .

Has it occurred to you that maybe Ruto could be one of the guests reading what we write over here? You once thought am Uhuru remember? If masukush is advising Ruto...power to him. But I know he talks from a point of information having worked at IEBC and being a geek.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Hobitke
#296 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:15:26 AM
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Why is IEBC giving out personal numbers (where did they get them in the first place?) for people to call and text regarding your registration status?
sheri
#297 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2017 2:15:51 PM
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Hobitke wrote:
Why is IEBC giving out personal numbers (where did they get them in the first place?) for people to call and text regarding your registration status?

Be clear smile smile smile
thuks
#298 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:12:21 PM
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4 bvr kits stolen by alkebab, they want to help someone to 'rig' August vote
I care!
Hobitke
#299 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2017 6:08:04 PM
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sheri wrote:
Hobitke wrote:
Why is IEBC giving out personal numbers (where did they get them in the first place?) for people to call and text regarding your registration status?

Be clear smile smile smile


Got a call and previously received a text inquiring on my voter registration status.
hardwood
#300 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2017 6:18:10 PM
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thuks wrote:
4 bvr kits stolen by alkebab, they want to help someone to 'rig' August vote


@mucheru was right that alshetanis could tamper with an electronic election. We need manual backup PRONTO.
August 9, 2017: Ohuru 65%, baba 35%. And yes Iam the same guy who predicted the Trump win.
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