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madollar
#41 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 2:57:01 PM
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Joined: 11/17/2009
Posts: 1,616
ZZE123 wrote:
faa wrote:
Jubilee has realized they have lost it with the electorate in Kenya,

they just want to create loopholes to steal and rig the elections.


The facebook, Twitter and SK ones.... Go to the bundus and talk to a guy from central or the rift!!

Well put .Come next year no one will remember this manual/digital shenanigans if the word TOSHA is not uttered
hardwood
#42 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:31:09 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 4,736
Bigchick wrote:
Sadly she represents Babas fanatics.

Imagine if Baba was the president?This behavior is what draws some people away from baba.

I pity Mabona.


That is why anakaanga ameingiza baridi. "Eating" huyu is like eating a porcupine.

http://infobare.com/wp-c...oads/2015/06/millie2.jpg
Votes do not matter in an election. (Maraga 2017)
Angelica _ann
#43 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:31:52 PM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 7,385
Yani Jubilee were not even ready with the proposed amendments and documentation to support the same. That clearly shows you how great the amendment are!!!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
2012
#44 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:45:17 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 5,023
Location: Nairobi
ZZE123 wrote:
faa wrote:
Jubilee has realized they have lost it with the electorate in Kenya,

they just want to create loopholes to steal and rig the elections.


The facebook, Twitter and SK ones.... Go to the bundus and talk to a guy from central or the rift!!



True, but they should not throw caution to the wind. They have not performed well at all.

No matter how dirty your past is, your future is still spotless.
masukuma
#45 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:52:51 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 11,621
Location: Nairobi
hardwood wrote:
Flashback to 2013. We should learn from history.

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

C+P

How Kenya's High-Tech Voting Nearly Lost The Election



It was supposed to be the most modern election in African history. Biometric identification kits with electronic thumb pads, registration rolls on laptops at every polling station, and an SMS-relayed, real-time transmission of the results to the National Tallying Center in Nairobi.

Ambitious? Of course. Only 23 percent of the country has access to electricity.

But Kenyans pride themselves on leapfrogging when it comes to adapting technology. A country without copper landlines, Kenya developed the world's most popular software for mobile money transfer. A native Kenyan platform for organizing and disseminating online citizen journalism has been deployed in more than 30 countries. Kenya may not have enough paved roads, but the country is constructing a $10-billion "Silicon Savannah" aimed at becoming the continental magnet for IT startups.

Among Kenya's wired middle class, the going wisdom was that politics was stuck in the past — hopelessly mired in tribalism and corruption — but that technology would breathe fairness and transparency into the process.

And then came Election Day and the triumph of Murphy's Law.

First the laptops ran out of battery power. Organizers had failed to consider that African school buildings, where many of the polling stations were situated, don't have electric outlets.

Then the biometric identification kits started to crash. Poll workers didn't have the PIN numbers and passwords they needed to restart the software. Paper ballots were rolled out and voter lines slowed to a crawl, forcing some voters to wait seven to nine hours in the hot sun to cast their ballots.

Voting concluded on Monday, but the tech hiccups did not. A bizarre computer bug multiplied the number of disqualified ballots by a factor of eight, leaving Kenyans livid and demoralized for several days in the belief that more than a quarter-million votes had been summarily tossed out in the incredibly tight race. The SMS-relay system overloaded, too, forcing election officials to airlift poll workers to Nairobi by helicopter to hand deliver the results.

The breakdown of the system delayed the announcement of a winner, creating more anxiety with each passing day in a country that experienced massive post-election violence in 2007. More than 1,200 people were killed and hundreds of thousands displaced.

At last, six days later, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) announced the winner, former Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta by a squeaker: 50.07 percent — a mere 8,000 votes out of a record-breaking 12 million cast.

The losing candidate, Prime Minister Raila Odinga, immediately challenged the result. There was "rampant illegality" in the electoral process, he said; these technical "glitches" were election rigging.

it has some B.S. in it (SMS relay? what the f*ck!!) but i will let it fly...
Kenya's success in the IT industry is a case of 'specific' success being confused for general success.
[to be used to communicate something profound]
Wakanyugi
#46 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:42:58 PM
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Joined: 7/3/2007
Posts: 1,262
Bigchick wrote:
Sadly she represents Babas fanatics.

Imagine if Baba was the president?This behavior is what draws some people away from baba.

I pity Mabona.


I have been listening to vernacular radio recently and there is real fear that UK will lose next year, not because the other guy is better but because the Central and Rift Valley voters are not energized enough and chose to stay home.

In fact one 'pundit' went so far as to opine that the Jubilee duo might need to do something to scare their people out of this lethargy.

They need not have worried. With the Millie, Bandi, Muthama brigade doing their work for them, I can bet voters in Central and Rift Valley will come out in droves. It truly boggles my mind when I see these shenanigans, preaching to your own gallery, when it is clear that it is the other side you need to woe if you ever hope to win a national election.

And Baba still thinks his real enemies are in Jubilee?


"We suffer not from the events in our lives, but from our judgement of them" (Epictetus)
kaka2za
#47 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:58:37 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 2,746
Location: Gwitu
Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Sadly she represents Babas fanatics.

Imagine if Baba was the president?This behavior is what draws some people away from baba.

I pity Mabona.


I have been listening to vernacular radio recently and there is real fear that UK will lose next year, not because the other guy is better but because the Central and Rift Valley voters are not energized enough and chose to stay home.

In fact one 'pundit' went so far as to opine that the Jubilee duo might need to do something to scare their people out of this lethargy.

They need not have worried. With the Millie, Bandi, Muthama brigade doing their work for them, I can bet voters in Central and Rift Valley will come out in droves. It truly boggles my mind when I see these shenanigans, preaching to your own gallery, when it is clear that it is the other side you need to woe if you ever hope to win a national election.

And Baba still thinks his real enemies are in Jubilee?




All along,I had a feeling that Jubilee will lose but the events of the last few days indicate there is a ray of hope for JP.The change of fortunes is because of the recent scare mongering remarks by the CORD brigade. Junet and Magaya have repeatedly talked about dire consequences and Senator Khalalwe capped it when he talked about 42 vs 2 this morning.

This will scare the the two communities and watapiga kura kwa fujo. CORD is like Arsenal,perfect choke masters!
Gathige
#48 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 5:31:18 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 1,572
kaka2za wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Sadly she represents Babas fanatics.

Imagine if Baba was the president?This behavior is what draws some people away from baba.

I pity Mabona.


I have been listening to vernacular radio recently and there is real fear that UK will lose next year, not because the other guy is better but because the Central and Rift Valley voters are not energized enough and chose to stay home.

In fact one 'pundit' went so far as to opine that the Jubilee duo might need to do something to scare their people out of this lethargy.

They need not have worried. With the Millie, Bandi, Muthama brigade doing their work for them, I can bet voters in Central and Rift Valley will come out in droves. It truly boggles my mind when I see these shenanigans, preaching to your own gallery, when it is clear that it is the other side you need to woe if you ever hope to win a national election.

And Baba still thinks his real enemies are in Jubilee?




All along,I had a feeling that Jubilee will lose but the events of the last few days indicate there is a ray of hope for JP.The change of fortunes is because of the recent scare mongering remarks by the CORD brigade. Junet and Magaya have repeatedly talked about dire consequences and Senator Khalalwe capped it when he talked about 42 vs 2 this morning.

This will scare the the two communities and watapiga kura kwa fujo. CORD is like Arsenal,perfect choke masters!



Lets wait for the IEBC final numbers by the end of February 2017. That is the time we will tell who will carry 2017. I hear there are some places where IDs are being issued in large numbers to whoever has reached the age limit. Whichever wing mobilizes its supporters to register will carry the day. I see one side protesting and declaring an audit of the new voters register or worse calling for elections boycott.


"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
FRM2011
#49 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:02:38 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 1,752
Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Sadly she represents Babas fanatics.

Imagine if Baba was the president?This behavior is what draws some people away from baba.

I pity Mabona.


I have been listening to vernacular radio recently and there is real fear that UK will lose next year, not because the other guy is better but because the Central and Rift Valley voters are not energized enough and chose to stay home.

In fact one 'pundit' went so far as to opine that the Jubilee duo might need to do something to scare their people out of this lethargy.

They need not have worried. With the Millie, Bandi, Muthama brigade doing their work for them, I can bet voters in Central and Rift Valley will come out in droves. It truly boggles my mind when I see these shenanigans, preaching to your own gallery, when it is clear that it is the other side you need to woe if you ever hope to win a national election.

And Baba still thinks his real enemies are in Jubilee?




The question of whether the duo will loose is a foregone conclusion. Their strongholds averaged 90% turnout in 2013. In 2017, it will be a miracle to mobilize 85%. Coast averaged 60% in turnout.
I want to leave these figures here.

Jubilee got 100,000 votes in ukambani (mainly kitui).
They also got 150,000 votes in gusiiland.
8,000 votes is all it took to avoid a run-off.

Neither of the above two groups are infected by the sycophancy disease in Central. They have seen the duo's insatiable gluttony and its not pretty.

Obi 1 Kanobi
#50 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:37:33 PM
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Joined: 7/23/2008
Posts: 2,890
Seems everyone in Wazua is moving to their corner in preparation of next years voting.

@Gathige, you are right, it will be easy to count the election outcome as early as Feb afterwhich the race will head for the swing votes of Maasai, Kisii, Turkana, and Luhya's (depending on the outcome of CORD/ANASA deal) and Turnouts for strongholds
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Angelica _ann
#51 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:49:57 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 7,385
FRM2011 wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Sadly she represents Babas fanatics.

Imagine if Baba was the president?This behavior is what draws some people away from baba.

I pity Mabona.


I have been listening to vernacular radio recently and there is real fear that UK will lose next year, not because the other guy is better but because the Central and Rift Valley voters are not energized enough and chose to stay home.

In fact one 'pundit' went so far as to opine that the Jubilee duo might need to do something to scare their people out of this lethargy.

They need not have worried. With the Millie, Bandi, Muthama brigade doing their work for them, I can bet voters in Central and Rift Valley will come out in droves. It truly boggles my mind when I see these shenanigans, preaching to your own gallery, when it is clear that it is the other side you need to woe if you ever hope to win a national election.

And Baba still thinks his real enemies are in Jubilee?




The question of whether the duo will loose is a foregone conclusion. Their strongholds averaged 90% turnout in 2013. In 2017, it will be a miracle to mobilize 85%. Coast averaged 60% in turnout.
I want to leave these figures here.

Jubilee got 100,000 votes in ukambani (mainly kitui).
They also got 150,000 votes in gusiiland.
8,000 votes is all it took to avoid a run-off.

Neither of the above two groups are infected by the sycophancy disease in Central. They have seen the duo's insatiable gluttony and its not pretty.


ICC/Hague also contributed significantly to both massive voter registration and the subsequent 'high' voter turnout for the duo. However, I don't think CORD has mobilized their followers to register any differently from 2013 elections. Status quo will prevail because of the cash JP will unleash!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
2012
#52 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:52:36 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 5,023
Location: Nairobi
Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Sadly she represents Babas fanatics.

Imagine if Baba was the president?This behavior is what draws some people away from baba.

I pity Mabona.


I have been listening to vernacular radio recently and there is real fear that UK will lose next year, not because the other guy is better but because the Central and Rift Valley voters are not energized enough and chose to stay home.

In fact one 'pundit' went so far as to opine that the Jubilee duo might need to do something to scare their people out of this lethargy.

They need not have worried. With the Millie, Bandi, Muthama brigade doing their work for them, I can bet voters in Central and Rift Valley will come out in droves. It truly boggles my mind when I see these shenanigans, preaching to your own gallery, when it is clear that it is the other side you need to woe if you ever hope to win a national election.

And Baba still thinks his real enemies are in Jubilee?





I know there's apathy in Central and Rift but they are the most reliable voters, all the duo needs to do is give them some guarantees. UK's fear should be the Rift but Ruto will do the magic there as he has everything to lose plus really, he is the best chance for the Rift to take the presidency in the next 20 years.

No matter how dirty your past is, your future is still spotless.
mkenyan
#53 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:54:19 PM
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Joined: 4/1/2009
Posts: 1,556
Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Sadly she represents Babas fanatics.

Imagine if Baba was the president?This behavior is what draws some people away from baba.

I pity Mabona.


I have been listening to vernacular radio recently and there is real fear that UK will lose next year, not because the other guy is better but because the Central and Rift Valley voters are not energized enough and chose to stay home.

In fact one 'pundit' went so far as to opine that the Jubilee duo might need to do something to scare their people out of this lethargy.

They need not have worried. With the Millie, Bandi, Muthama brigade doing their work for them, I can bet voters in Central and Rift Valley will come out in droves. It truly boggles my mind when I see these shenanigans, preaching to your own gallery, when it is clear that it is the other side you need to woe if you ever hope to win a national election.

And Baba still thinks his real enemies are in Jubilee?



millie, bandi etc are doing what they are doing not for the benefit of 'their' principal but for their own personal political ends. it makes it easy for them to get that party nomination and the votes to go back to parliament. in all these their principal is the loser and seemingly dumb enough not to realise - or maybe losing is the plan all along.
2012
#54 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 8:52:45 PM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 5,023
Location: Nairobi
Jubilee will carry the day anytime in parliament. They have a commanding majority.
But are the opposition MPigs honestly looking for change or for a way to retain their seats?
Remember that eventually a majority of these Jubilee and Cord Mpigs have one thing in common, hefty loans, while only a small minority is enjoying what has been looted from us.

No matter how dirty your past is, your future is still spotless.
washiku
#55 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 9:32:25 PM
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Joined: 5/9/2007
Posts: 12,673
You mean all these MPs have no way of coming together in a Kamukunji and agreeing on the contentious issues before going to the main house? Don't they wine and done together all the time? Can't they spare some time together to logically listen to each other?
Liv
#56 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 9:46:43 PM
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Joined: 11/14/2006
Posts: 1,173
Wakanyugi wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
Sadly she represents Babas fanatics.

Imagine if Baba was the president?This behavior is what draws some people away from baba.

I pity Mabona.


I have been listening to vernacular radio recently and there is real fear that UK will lose next year, not because the other guy is better but because the Central and Rift Valley voters are not energized enough and chose to stay home.

In fact one 'pundit' went so far as to opine that the Jubilee duo might need to do something to scare their people out of this lethargy.

They need not have worried. With the Millie, Bandi, Muthama brigade doing their work for them, I can bet voters in Central and Rift Valley will come out in droves. It truly boggles my mind when I see these shenanigans, preaching to your own gallery, when it is clear that it is the other side you need to woe if you ever hope to win a national election.

And Baba still thinks his real enemies are in Jubilee?




You are right, Jubilee leadership would want CORD to start holding Demos and destroying properties....in order to energize voters particularly in mt Kenya region.... Message being.... "CORD will destroy your livelihoods if they win elections".

You remember how common people contributed to buy another Matatu for a lady whose vehicle was burnt during those demonstrations? I guess that's the strategy.

It would work well for Jubilee if the demos take place most of next year before until elections time.


maka
#57 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:01:10 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 10,045
Location: Nairobi
washiku wrote:
You mean all these MPs have no way of coming together in a Kamukunji and agreeing on the contentious issues before going to the main house? Don't they wine and done together all the time? Can't they spare some time together to logically listen to each other?


Well put...
possunt quia posse videntur
kaka2za
#58 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:49:16 AM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 2,746
Location: Gwitu
maka wrote:
washiku wrote:
You mean all these MPs have no way of coming together in a Kamukunji and agreeing on the contentious issues before going to the main house? Don't they wine and done together all the time? Can't they spare some time together to logically listen to each other?


Well put...


Read the post #56 above. Some people want protest riots which will provoke anger from their core support.

We are so gullible!
hardwood
#59 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 9:14:23 AM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 4,736
masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Flashback to 2013. We should learn from history.

http://www.npr.org/secti...early-lost-the-election

C+P

How Kenya's High-Tech Voting Nearly Lost The Election

http://media.npr.org/ass...92f3a1d854-s800-c85.jpg

It was supposed to be the most modern election in African history. Biometric identification kits with electronic thumb pads, registration rolls on laptops at every polling station, and an SMS-relayed, real-time transmission of the results to the National Tallying Center in Nairobi.

Ambitious? Of course. Only 23 percent of the country has access to electricity.

Among Kenya's wired middle class, the going wisdom was that politics was stuck in the past — hopelessly mired in tribalism and corruption — but that technology would breathe fairness and transparency into the process.

And then came Election Day and the triumph of Murphy's Law.

First the laptops ran out of battery power. Organizers had failed to consider that African school buildings, where many of the polling stations were situated, don't have electric outlets.

Then the biometric identification kits started to crash. Poll workers didn't have the PIN numbers and passwords they needed to restart the software. Paper ballots were rolled out and voter lines slowed to a crawl, forcing some voters to wait seven to nine hours in the hot sun to cast their ballots.

Voting concluded on Monday, but the tech hiccups did not. A bizarre computer bug multiplied the number of disqualified ballots by a factor of eight, leaving Kenyans livid and demoralized for several days in the belief that more than a quarter-million votes had been summarily tossed out in the incredibly tight race. The SMS-relay system overloaded, too, forcing election officials to airlift poll workers to Nairobi by helicopter to hand deliver the results.

The breakdown of the system delayed the announcement of a winner, creating more anxiety with each passing day in a country that experienced massive post-election violence in 2007. More than 1,200 people were killed and hundreds of thousands displaced.

The losing candidate, Prime Minister Raila Odinga, immediately challenged the result. There was "rampant illegality" in the electoral process, he said; these technical "glitches" were election rigging.

it has some B.S. in it (SMS relay? what the f*ck!!) but i will let it fly...
Kenya's success in the IT industry is a case of 'specific' success being confused for general success.


Tukae digital. Baba amesema no amendments to provide for manual backup. #DigitalElection
Votes do not matter in an election. (Maraga 2017)
maka
#60 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 9:22:40 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 10,045
Location: Nairobi
kaka2za wrote:
maka wrote:
washiku wrote:
You mean all these MPs have no way of coming together in a Kamukunji and agreeing on the contentious issues before going to the main house? Don't they wine and done together all the time? Can't they spare some time together to logically listen to each other?


Well put...


Read the post #56 above. Some people want protest riots which will provoke anger from their core support.

We are so gullible!


I did read...tumewapima na pia tumewasoma...
possunt quia posse videntur
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