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Dropping Swahili as a Subject in Schools.
Fullykenyan
#61 Posted : Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:39:11 PM
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Posts: 554
Location: Eastlando
@Hardwood just a simple lesson for you. There was never the language german before, that is spoken today. The german of today is called "Hochdeutsch" meaning high German. Before, people spoke dialects that are equivalent to the sub languages of Luhya or Kalenjin. There was kölsch, schwabisch etc. Germans saw it prudent to have a language that is understood by everyone and that is why they came up with Hochdeutch.it is the official language of Germany. The same can be said of French,Russian and English. Very few people still speak these dialects. If Kenya is to make progress, we need to encourage the growth of kiswahili because, it is the only language that is well developed.by the way,have you ever seen Department of Okuyu anywhere on this earth?.Just to inform you,many serious Unis all over the world have a department of kiswahili. Europeans would not create a redundant department. It is because they have seen the value of kiswahili. In Germany,there are many companies with Kiswahili names. Have you ever never seen an okuyu one. Smell the coffee son of Okuyu
Ngalaka
#62 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:23:59 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,563
TUJIFUNZE KISWAHILI
1. Charger - kimemeshi
2. Remote - kitenzambali
3. Password - nywila
4. Akala (bladder shoes) - kirikiri
5. Passion fruit - karakara
6. Kangaroo - bukunyika
7. Fridge - jokofu
8. Juice - sharubati
9. Chips - vibanzi
10. PHD - uzamifu
11. Masters degree - uzamili
12. Degree - shahada
13. Diploma - stashahada
14. Certificate - astashahada
15. Keyboard - kicharazio
16. Scanner - mdaki
17. Flash disk - diski mweko
18. Mouse (for a computer) - kiteuzi
19. Floppy disk - diski tepetevu
20. Computer virus - mtaliga
21. Distillation - ukenekaji
22. Evaporation - mvukizo
23. Synthesis - uoanishaji
24. Oesophagus - umio
25. Greenhouse - kivungulio
26. Femur - fupaja
27. Germ cell - selizazi
28. Humus - mboji
29. Nector - mbochi/ntwe
30. Nutrients - virutubisho
31. Crystal - fuwele
32. Appetizers - vihamuzi
33. ATM - kiotomotela
34. Business card - kadikazi
35. Scratch card - kadi hela
36. Simcard - kadiwia/mkamimo
37. Memory card - kadi sakima
38. Microwave - tanuri ya miale
39. Mobile phone - rununu/rukono
40. Stapler - kibanizi
41. Laptop - kipakatalishi
42. Power saw - msumeno oto
43. Duplicating machine - kirudufu
44. Photocopier - kinukuzi
45. Cocktail party - tafrija mchapulo
46. Air conditioner - kiyoyozi
47. Calculator - kikokotozi
48. Lift - kambarau
49. Reaction - radiamali
50. Toothpick - kichokonoo
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
AlphDoti
#63 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:47:41 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,234
Location: Kenya
Fullykenyan wrote:
@Hardwood just a simple lesson for you. There was never the language german before, that is spoken today. The german of today is called "Hochdeutsch" meaning high German. Before, people spoke dialects that are equivalent to the sub languages of Luhya or Kalenjin. There was kölsch, schwabisch etc. Germans saw it prudent to have a language that is understood by everyone and that is why they came up with Hochdeutch.it is the official language of Germany. The same can be said of French,Russian and English. Very few people still speak these dialects. If Kenya is to make progress, we need to encourage the growth of kiswahili because, it is the only language that is well developed.by the way,have you ever seen Department of Okuyu anywhere on this earth?.Just to inform you,many serious Unis all over the world have a department of kiswahili. Europeans would not create a redundant department. It is because they have seen the value of kiswahili. In Germany,there are many companies with Kiswahili names. Have you ever never seen an okuyu one. Smell the coffee son of Okuyu

This is true. Even Chinese have hundreds of dialects, but have chosen official language, Mandarin.
hardwood
#64 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2019 2:05:04 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,553
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
AlphDoti wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
@Hardwood just a simple lesson for you. There was never the language german before, that is spoken today. The german of today is called "Hochdeutsch" meaning high German. Before, people spoke dialects that are equivalent to the sub languages of Luhya or Kalenjin. There was kölsch, schwabisch etc. Germans saw it prudent to have a language that is understood by everyone and that is why they came up with Hochdeutch.it is the official language of Germany. The same can be said of French,Russian and English. Very few people still speak these dialects. If Kenya is to make progress, we need to encourage the growth of kiswahili because, it is the only language that is well developed.by the way,have you ever seen Department of Okuyu anywhere on this earth?.Just to inform you,many serious Unis all over the world have a department of kiswahili. Europeans would not create a redundant department. It is because they have seen the value of kiswahili. In Germany,there are many companies with Kiswahili names. Have you ever never seen an okuyu one. Smell the coffee son of Okuyu

This is true. Even Chinese have hundreds of dialects, but have chosen official language, Mandarin.


Labbish!
Lolest!
#65 Posted : Monday, January 20, 2020 12:27:48 PM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 11,994
Location: Kianjokoma
As we talk about dropping Kiswahili, South Africa has adopted it as a subject in their schools.

Namibia is following suit. To start teaching Kiswahili in 2021.

Kiswahili Kitukuzwe!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Rahatupu
#66 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2020 4:28:49 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 1,970
Location: matano manne
Okuyu taught in Harvard

https://alp.fas.harvard.edu/gikuyu
masukuma
#67 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:39:50 AM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,427
Location: Nairobi
Lolest! wrote:
As we talk about dropping Kiswahili, South Africa has adopted it as a subject in their schools.

Namibia is following suit. To start teaching Kiswahili in 2021.

Kiswahili Kitukuzwe!

Tell them... I find Properly spoken swahili so intriguing

All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
masukuma
#68 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:46:59 AM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,427
Location: Nairobi
Languages are quite interesting... the larger they are - the more the value. Right now learning English is important to everyone INCLUDING RANDOM GERMANS OR ROMANIANS. Why? it's the language of the internet - the language of Pop Culture etc. Same as Kiswahili in our region... it's a practical thing sio kama Kikuyu which is an identity thing (Personal importance but 0 use outside your family since most people speak better english and swahili than Kikuyu). It's quite possible that that there are a few people who are not family that you need to communicate with only in your mother tongue - but they are getting fewer and fewer as they drop off the face of the earth...
young people? this is what they are speaking

All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Ngalaka
#69 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2020 4:31:13 PM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,563
The proposal proffered in this thread was/is that Kiswahili is taught as a universal subject across the board only up to class 3 or 4 but certainly not as a mandatory as well as examinable at the final year of Primary education and secondary education.
Those students who may wish to pursue Kiswahili all the way to University level should be free to do that – at least to keep BBC Kiswahili radio and the likes staffed.
Making it mandatory and examinable at Primary & Secondary levels is a major disservice to students.
The subject contributes to ones mean score and can stand in the way of opportunities.

Teaching Kiswahili up to secondary level has not made ‘us’ good speakers of the language neither can it the said to have contributed that much to its uptake in society.
Come to think of it an average adult Tanzanian in Arusha who left school at grade 4 speaks better Kiswahili than an average Kenyan who got an A at KCSE.
An average Kenyan in Nakuru who failed his Kiswahili exam at class 8 and dropped out of school at that level, speaks more or less similar Kiswahili with a person who got an A at form four.
As a matter of fact an overwhelming majority of university graduates prefer to use English most of the time.
A Kenya intellectual is shamed on BBC radio by a Tanzanian commoner, or a coastarian.
So I don’t see how making it mandatory & examinable has helped us.


Ngalaka wrote:
TUJIFUNZE KISWAHILI
1. Charger - kimemeshi
2. Remote - kitenzambali
3. Password - nywila
4. Akala (bladder shoes) - kirikiri
5. Passion fruit - karakara
6. Kangaroo - bukunyika
7. Fridge - jokofu
8. Juice - sharubati
9. Chips - vibanzi
10. PHD - uzamifu
11. Masters degree - uzamili
12. Degree - shahada
13. Diploma - stashahada
14. Certificate - astashahada
15. Keyboard - kicharazio
16. Scanner - mdaki
17. Flash disk - diski mweko
18. Mouse (for a computer) - kiteuzi
19. Floppy disk - diski tepetevu
20. Computer virus - mtaliga
21. Distillation - ukenekaji
22. Evaporation - mvukizo
23. Synthesis - uoanishaji
24. Oesophagus - umio
25. Greenhouse - kivungulio
26. Femur - fupaja
27. Germ cell - selizazi
28. Humus - mboji
29. Nector - mbochi/ntwe
30. Nutrients - virutubisho
31. Crystal - fuwele
32. Appetizers - vihamuzi
33. ATM - kiotomotela
34. Business card - kadikazi
35. Scratch card - kadi hela
36. Simcard - kadiwia/mkamimo
37. Memory card - kadi sakima
38. Microwave - tanuri ya miale
39. Mobile phone - rununu/rukono
40. Stapler - kibanizi
41. Laptop - kipakatalishi
42. Power saw - msumeno oto
43. Duplicating machine - kirudufu
44. Photocopier - kinukuzi
45. Cocktail party - tafrija mchapulo
46. Air conditioner - kiyoyozi
47. Calculator - kikokotozi
48. Lift - kambarau
49. Reaction - radiamali
50. Toothpick - kichokonoo
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Angelica _ann
#70 Posted : Tuesday, January 21, 2020 6:10:15 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,451

Ngalaka wrote:
TUJIFUNZE KISWAHILI
1. Charger - kimemeshi
2. Remote - kitenzambali
3. Password - nywila
4. Akala (bladder shoes) - kirikiri
5. Passion fruit - karakara
6. Kangaroo - bukunyika
7. Fridge - jokofu
8. Juice - sharubati
9. Chips - vibanzi
10. PHD - uzamifu
11. Masters degree - uzamili
12. Degree - shahada
13. Diploma - stashahada
14. Certificate - astashahada
15. Keyboard - kicharazio
16. Scanner - mdaki
17. Flash disk - diski mweko
18. Mouse (for a computer) - kiteuzi
19. Floppy disk - diski tepetevu
20. Computer virus - mtaliga
21. Distillation - ukenekaji
22. Evaporation - mvukizo
23. Synthesis - uoanishaji
24. Oesophagus - umio
25. Greenhouse - kivungulio
26. Femur - fupaja
27. Germ cell - selizazi
28. Humus - mboji
29. Nector - mbochi/ntwe
30. Nutrients - virutubisho
31. Crystal - fuwele
32. Appetizers - vihamuzi
33. ATM - kiotomotela
34. Business card - kadikazi
35. Scratch card - kadi hela
36. Simcard - kadiwia/mkamimo
37. Memory card - kadi sakima
38. Microwave - tanuri ya miale
39. Mobile phone - rununu/rukono
40. Stapler - kibanizi
41. Laptop - kipakatalishi
42. Power saw - msumeno oto
43. Duplicating machine - kirudufu
44. Photocopier - kinukuzi
45. Cocktail party - tafrija mchapulo
46. Air conditioner - kiyoyozi
47. Calculator - kikokotozi
48. Lift - kambarau
49. Reaction - radiamali
50. Toothpick - kichokonoo
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!

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kaka2za
#71 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 8:50:08 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 3,874
Location: Gwitu
Ngalaka wrote:
TUJIFUNZE KISWAHILI
1. Charger - kimemeshi
2. Remote - kitenzambali
3. Password - nywila
4. Akala (bladder shoes) - kirikiri
5. Passion fruit - karakara
6. Kangaroo - bukunyika
7. Fridge - jokofu
8. Juice - sharubati
9. Chips - vibanzi
10. PHD - uzamifu
11. Masters degree - uzamili
12. Degree - shahada
13. Diploma - stashahada
14. Certificate - astashahada
15. Keyboard - kicharazio
16. Scanner - mdaki
17. Flash disk - diski mweko
18. Mouse (for a computer) - kiteuzi
19. Floppy disk - diski tepetevu
20. Computer virus - mtaliga
21. Distillation - ukenekaji
22. Evaporation - mvukizo
23. Synthesis - uoanishaji
24. Oesophagus - umio
25. Greenhouse - kivungulio
26. Femur - fupaja
27. Germ cell - selizazi
28. Humus - mboji
29. Nector - mbochi/ntwe
30. Nutrients - virutubisho
31. Crystal - fuwele
32. Appetizers - vihamuzi
33. ATM - kiotomotela
34. Business card - kadikazi
35. Scratch card - kadi hela
36. Simcard - kadiwia/mkamimo
37. Memory card - kadi sakima
38. Microwave - tanuri ya miale
39. Mobile phone - rununu/rukono
40. Stapler - kibanizi
41. Laptop - kipakatalishi
42. Power saw - msumeno oto
43. Duplicating machine - kirudufu
44. Photocopier - kinukuzi
45. Cocktail party - tafrija mchapulo
46. Air conditioner - kiyoyo
zi
47. Calculator - kikokotozi
48. Lift - kambarau
49. Reaction - radiamali
50. Toothpick - kichokonoo
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


Here lies the problem. To learn a language, you don't need to use vocabularies.

All above words are academic. No one uses them in conversations not even in Zanzibar.
Spikes
#72 Posted : Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:28:36 AM
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Posts: 2,785
Location: Mombasa
Ngalaka wrote:
The proposal proffered in this thread was/is that Kiswahili is taught as a universal subject across the board only up to class 3 or 4 but certainly not as a mandatory as well as examinable at the final year of Primary education and secondary education.
Those students who may wish to pursue Kiswahili all the way to University level should be free to do that – at least to keep BBC Kiswahili radio and the likes staffed.
Making it mandatory and examinable at Primary & Secondary levels is a major disservice to students.
The subject contributes to ones mean score and can stand in the way of opportunities.

Teaching Kiswahili up to secondary level has not made ‘us’ good speakers of the language neither can it the said to have contributed that much to its uptake in society.
Come to think of it an average adult Tanzanian in Arusha who left school at grade 4 speaks better Kiswahili than an average Kenyan who got an A at KCSE.
An average Kenyan in Nakuru who failed his Kiswahili exam at class 8 and dropped out of school at that level, speaks more or less similar Kiswahili with a person who got an A at form four.
As a matter of fact an overwhelming majority of university graduates prefer to use English most of the time.
A Kenya intellectual is shamed on BBC radio by a Tanzanian commoner, or a coastarian.
So I don’t see how making it mandatory & examinable has helped us.


Ngalaka wrote:
TUJIFUNZE KISWAHILI
1. Charger - kimemeshi
2. Remote - kitenzambali
3. Password - nywila
4. Akala (bladder shoes) - kirikiri
5. Passion fruit - karakara
6. Kangaroo - bukunyika
7. Fridge - jokofu
8. Juice - sharubati
9. Chips - vibanzi
10. PHD - uzamifu
11. Masters degree - uzamili
12. Degree - shahada
13. Diploma - stashahada
14. Certificate - astashahada
15. Keyboard - kicharazio
16. Scanner - mdaki
17. Flash disk - diski mweko
18. Mouse (for a computer) - kiteuzi
19. Floppy disk - diski tepetevu
20. Computer virus - mtaliga
21. Distillation - ukenekaji
22. Evaporation - mvukizo
23. Synthesis - uoanishaji
24. Oesophagus - umio
25. Greenhouse - kivungulio
26. Femur - fupaja
27. Germ cell - selizazi
28. Humus - mboji
29. Nector - mbochi/ntwe
30. Nutrients - virutubisho
31. Crystal - fuwele
32. Appetizers - vihamuzi
33. ATM - kiotomotela
34. Business card - kadikazi
35. Scratch card - kadi hela
36. Simcard - kadiwia/mkamimo
37. Memory card - kadi sakima
38. Microwave - tanuri ya miale
39. Mobile phone - rununu/rukono
40. Stapler - kibanizi
41. Laptop - kipakatalishi
42. Power saw - msumeno oto
43. Duplicating machine - kirudufu
44. Photocopier - kinukuzi
45. Cocktail party - tafrija mchapulo
46. Air conditioner - kiyoyozi
47. Calculator - kikokotozi
48. Lift - kambarau
49. Reaction - radiamali
50. Toothpick - kichokonoo
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


I can't waste time learning something of no use to me.
John 5:17But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Ngalaka
#73 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:12:39 AM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,563
kaka2za wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
TUJIFUNZE KISWAHILI
1. Charger - kimemeshi
2. Remote - kitenzambali
3. Password - nywila
4. Akala (bladder shoes) - kirikiri
5. Passion fruit - karakara
6. Kangaroo - bukunyika
7. Fridge - jokofu
8. Juice - sharubati
9. Chips - vibanzi
10. PHD - uzamifu
11. Masters degree - uzamili
12. Degree - shahada
13. Diploma - stashahada
14. Certificate - astashahada
15. Keyboard - kicharazio
16. Scanner - mdaki
17. Flash disk - diski mweko
18. Mouse (for a computer) - kiteuzi
19. Floppy disk - diski tepetevu
20. Computer virus - mtaliga
21. Distillation - ukenekaji
22. Evaporation - mvukizo
23. Synthesis - uoanishaji
24. Oesophagus - umio
25. Greenhouse - kivungulio
26. Femur - fupaja
27. Germ cell - selizazi
28. Humus - mboji
29. Nector - mbochi/ntwe
30. Nutrients - virutubisho
31. Crystal - fuwele
32. Appetizers - vihamuzi
33. ATM - kiotomotela
34. Business card - kadikazi
35. Scratch card - kadi hela
36. Simcard - kadiwia/mkamimo
37. Memory card - kadi sakima
38. Microwave - tanuri ya miale
39. Mobile phone - rununu/rukono
40. Stapler - kibanizi
41. Laptop - kipakatalishi
42. Power saw - msumeno oto
43. Duplicating machine - kirudufu
44. Photocopier - kinukuzi
45. Cocktail party - tafrija mchapulo
46. Air conditioner - kiyoyo
zi
47. Calculator - kikokotozi
48. Lift - kambarau
49. Reaction - radiamali
50. Toothpick - kichokonoo
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


Here lies the problem. To learn a language, you don't need to use vocabularies.

All above words are academic. No one uses them in conversations not even in Zanzibar.

Duly paying attention to the substantive discussion; - I guess we both appreciate that a student sitting his KCSE could be faced with such or similar vocabularies, Methalis, kanushas, kinyumes ningalis ningelis or the ngelis.

What the student scores here affects his/her mean score and could well mean not qualifying to study medicine.

We need to seriously re-examine our policies in education and how well they prepare us to position ourselves in the scheme of international economy.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Lolest!
#74 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 1:12:09 PM
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Joined: 3/18/2011
Posts: 11,994
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Making it mandatory and examinable at Primary & Secondary levels is a major disservice to students.
The subject contributes to ones mean score and can stand in the way of opportunities


In the new CBC system, isn't there a specialization phase like A levels of kitambo where say a student interested in science courses just takes relevant subjects?
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