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Huduma Namba Je Una yako?
newfarer
#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:44:56 PM
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ion where are the new coins?
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sitaki.kujulikana
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:48:58 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
What’s the point of this whole card again?


My assumption:

After sometime u will have only 2 gvt issued docs. Id and passport.

The rest NHIF, NSSF, Drivers license, pin, whathaveyou will be obsolete.

Eventually, a huduma number will track a Kenyan from birth to death.

Right now they are creating a database and my observations from what Mucheru said is they dont completely trust the data at the National Reg bureau. As you opined sometimes back, Kenyans share ID numbers.

You can download a registration form online BUT that cannot be photocopied and used by anyone else....the form is serialized.

Once you leave the asst chiefs office you leave with nothing just the docs you go with. Ie the docs mentioned above and title(s)


So what if I don’t want the cards? I am OK as I am... what happens? I have seen civil registry attempts in too many countries fail because they fail to make the citizen know what is in it got them.


What if you do not want the Huduma ID (my understanding is that the other cards will be obsolete in sometime) so i think* you may not be able to access govt services (NHIF, NSSF, DL, Title deeds, etc) Lets say our banks decide that they will only use the huduma number then you might not be able to access banking services too. Again...my assumption yet to see how everything rolls out.

I think back dating that huduma number will be utter chaos, they will have to revoke all title deeds, freeze corresponding bank accounts, switch off icu machines for patients without the number (I know that is taking it too far) - but my issue is with this time-frames, I though this should be a continuous process.

Anyaway, I think the banks and telcos, and other government agencies will be given access to this database, for a single access point, even traffic cops and hospital administrators will be given gadgets that they can search that db with - my fear is that these guys are trusting Mucheru too much, a physical id with a photo is very handy, heck even south korea and japan have physical DL cards with photos.
murchr
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:55:12 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 14,107
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
What’s the point of this whole card again?


My assumption:

After sometime u will have only 2 gvt issued docs. Id and passport.

The rest NHIF, NSSF, Drivers license, pin, whathaveyou will be obsolete.

Eventually, a huduma number will track a Kenyan from birth to death.

Right now they are creating a database and my observations from what Mucheru said is they dont completely trust the data at the National Reg bureau. As you opined sometimes back, Kenyans share ID numbers.

You can download a registration form online BUT that cannot be photocopied and used by anyone else....the form is serialized.

Once you leave the asst chiefs office you leave with nothing just the docs you go with. Ie the docs mentioned above and title(s)


So what if I don’t want the cards? I am OK as I am... what happens? I have seen civil registry attempts in too many countries fail because they fail to make the citizen know what is in it got them.


What if you do not want the Huduma ID (my understanding is that the other cards will be obsolete in sometime) so i think* you may not be able to access govt services (NHIF, NSSF, DL, Title deeds, etc) Lets say our banks decide that they will only use the huduma number then you might not be able to access banking services too. Again...my assumption yet to see how everything rolls out.



I think back dating that huduma number will be utter chaos, they will have to revoke all title deeds, freeze corresponding bank accounts, switch off icu machines for patients without the number (I know that is taking it too far) - but my issue is with this time-frames, I though this should be a continuous process.

Anyaway, I think the banks and telcos, and other government agencies will be given access to this database, for a single access point, even traffic cops and hospital administrators will be given gadgets that they can search that db with - my fear is that these guys are trusting Mucheru too much, a physical id with a photo is very handy, heck even south korea and japan have physical DL cards with photos.


What do you mean backdating?


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kayhara
#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:49:12 PM
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Posts: 969
The 30 days will not work, many don't even know of this requirement and most will only need to get one when they want a good service which for some people is never, mind you you still need renew your DL, passport and very soon your number plate, in the Kenya rising thread we were asking what happened to this projects, they are here now and we are all up in arms.
To Each His Own
tycho
#25 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:02:27 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,205
Location: Nairobi
This is a pet project for those who think that the state is the provider of social goods and that by having one of their numbers one is privileged.

But the citizen should always seek protection against the state. This huduma number could be enough reason for civil disobedience.
sparkly
#26 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:35:10 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 6,699
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
murchr wrote:
Siringi wrote:
the card ExpiresApplause Applause Applause Applause This country has geniuses... hapa iko mtu anakula vizuri sana set to eternity



Although what is posted up there is probably fake.....They (ids) should expire (happens even in the first world)....nobody looks the same after 10 years. Almost always when I hand my ID to some security guard...they will take a second look at me and ask again...ai kweli huyu ni wewe? You may be disabled or impaired after 5 years of getting your driving license, shouldn't that be known to the republic? I tend to think the same govt agency that creates your IDs will handle this; no tender...on the positive though these are jobs.

Yes its fake.



Just another ATM Card. I have 10 of those.
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KulaRaha
#27 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:01:10 PM
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Joined: 7/26/2007
Posts: 6,388
another silly world bank project.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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