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How the Europeans Divided Africa
T-Bag
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2019 10:05:35 PM
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The white man came to Africa as missionaries and explorers but were soon sitting on a table dividing Africa amongst themselves. Here's a peep into how Europeans looted Africa of it wealth and sovereignty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1uo5jvpe8
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hardwood
#2 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 8:33:14 AM
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T-Bag wrote:
The white man came to Africa as missionaries and explorers but were soon sitting on a table dividing Africa amongst themselves. Here's a peep into how Europeans looted Africa of it wealth and sovereignty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1uo5jvpe8


What was looted in Kenya?
T-Bag
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 9:19:46 AM
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hardwood wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
The white man came to Africa as missionaries and explorers but were soon sitting on a table dividing Africa amongst themselves. Here's a peep into how Europeans looted Africa of it wealth and sovereignty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1uo5jvpe8


What was looted in Kenya?


Everything looted including?

Prime Land - This eventually went to home guards who are our "Lords" today
Labour - to extract the maximum value of our natural resources
Forced house taxation - To force nyeuthi work in plantations and
Natural resources - Flouspar, Magadi soda and wildlife, currently the same are held by proxies of beberu......etc

"Independence'' equals Neocolonialism today
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hardwood
#4 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 11:14:50 AM
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T-Bag wrote:
The white man came to Africa as missionaries and explorers but were soon sitting on a table dividing Africa amongst themselves. Here's a peep into how Europeans looted Africa of it wealth and sovereignty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1uo5jvpe8


We are still colonized and enslaved. That is why commodity prices are kept artificially low so that we feed the industries in the west. Coffee, tea, gold etc prices are still fixed in london and we are banned from processing or adding any value to the raw materials before exporting to london. In tourism, holiday packages are paid for to agents in the west and the visitors stay in western owned game lodges and hotels meaning the bulk of revenue generated by our parks, beaches remains in london just like in colonial times.
hardwood
#5 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 11:58:02 AM
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The stealing continues....Zambia is the world largest copper producer but has nothing to show for it. Kenya is also one of largest export flower producers but wanjiku has nothing to show for it since the flower company in naivasha pays her peanuts in wages, the company also sells the flowers to its sister company in Holland at rock bottom artificial/fake prices ensuring minimal taxes are paid to kenya govt. The sister company in holland then sells the flowers at the holland flower auction at market prices making huge profits which remain abroad. Note also that the flower companies refused to pay cess and other levies to nakuru county citing "overtaxation". Thus the looting continues. How will we ever develop? I think we have to commend kericho county for planning to take over the tea farms or taxing them 10,000 per acre.


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#6 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 12:03:27 PM
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More than half a century into the independence and you guys are still whinning about your modern day problems which you are attributing to colonialism?? kubafu nyinyi!
More than half a century into the independence and you guys have build a big population which is enough to sustain the local commodity production year in year out...what do you do? You run to your neighbouring countries and buy their commodities to sell to your people and leave your own locally produced to rot and you blame the colonialists...kubafu nyinyi!
More than half a century into independence, you have destroyed the industries that were left to you by the colonialists and others that were set up by investors, shortly after independence, who had foreseen a big industrialisation potential in your country. Even after developing a huge market base, you are still blaming the colonialists for the industries's decimation...kubafu nyinyi!
More than half a century into the independence, you cannot even govern yourselves. You elect leaders whose soul purpose is just to steal your taxes and when it comes to it, you spin the whole thing and blame the colonialists...kubafu nyinyi.
Give the colonialists a break. We are responsible for 100% of our problems!!
radiomast
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:52:58 PM
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#254 is one country that cannot complain about colonialism or imperialism. The overall impact of colonialism was positive in Kenya.

The damage to Kenya was done by the politicians especially the so called founding father.

It was kenyatta who created "mtu wetu" syndrome so that he and his cohorts can rob the treasury dry while Wanjiku, Moraa,Kaluki, Adongo, Chebet ,Nekesa and other distracted Kenyans call each other names because they belong to different tribes. 50 years later we are all busy insulting each other and celebrating when others are nyanyaswad , meanwhile the politicians have been robbing you for 56 years.

It was kenyatta who encouraged and in some cases even started all the ills that are ravaging the country: land grabbing, corruption, tribalism, political assassination, detention without trial, greed, incompetence , sycophancy .............
radiomast
#8 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:57:16 PM
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If there is a country that can and should complain about the impact of colonialism and imperialism its is DR Congo . The Belgians left them with nothing. All they did was exploit the nations, resources, commit gross actrocities and then assassinated Congo's best hope for a visionary leader (Lumumba) , instead imposing Mobutu Sese Seko who misruled the country for 33 years.

Read about the Belgian atrocities
https://en.wikipedia.org..._in_the_Congo_Free_State
wukan
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 6:50:48 PM
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radiomast wrote:
#254 is one country that cannot complain about colonialism or imperialism. The overall impact of colonialism was positive in Kenya.

The damage to Kenya was done by the politicians especially the so called founding father.

It was kenyatta who created "mtu wetu" syndrome so that he and his cohorts can rob the treasury dry while Wanjiku, Moraa,Kaluki, Adongo, Chebet ,Nekesa and other distracted Kenyans call each other names because they belong to different tribes. 50 years later we are all busy insulting each other and celebrating when others are nyanyaswad , meanwhile the politicians have been robbing you for 56 years.

It was kenyatta who encouraged and in some cases even started all the ills that are ravaging the country: land grabbing, corruption, tribalism, political assassination, detention without trial, greed, incompetence , sycophancy .............


Colonization is quite different from imperialism. Humans have always been forming colonies and imposing their cultures on other humans. Humans learn from other cultures. The bantus colonized the athi,gumba and dorobo tribes. Luos also colonized bantus like the Suba. Africans were okay with cultural exchanges it is what led to the swahili city states and swahili culture.

Imperialism is the arrogant side of thinking one self as culturally superior to others. It is what brings conflict. It is that stupid thinking that makes some feel that they are God's chosen people and others are savages. Chinese president alluded to this in his speech this week.

But I agree with you that colonialism had a positive impact on Kenya where famines, drought, small pox had devastated our ancestors. We are still doing cultural exchanges and integration and so far so good because we didn't end up butchering each other. Eventually the 'mtu wetu' syndrome will end as we form more cultural ties and have different interests away from our tribes. It will take time so 56 years is too short a time to measure.
radiomast
#10 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 8:06:30 PM
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@Wukan

The colonialists in Kenya built schools, hospitals, roads, housing, stadiums, railways, railway stations, farms, police stations, fire-stations, markets, airports, conserved foreasts, riverbeds and water towers.

Mwafrika would have done very little in comparison. He would have just lavished himself with all the tax payer money.

Wabeberu forced some of our grandparents to go to school or send their children to school at a time when many wanted their children to stay home and milk cows.

Then mwafrigha took over and it started to become a sheet-hole.

Kenyatta lived in London for 20 years. He had experienced what a modern, well managed city can look like if well planned. He could have used what he learned and done the same for Nairobi. He could have set aside land for road expansion, water retention, ............

Instead he came to Kenya and grabbed vast tracts of land in Nairobi and its environs and also beachfront property in Mombasa. Now Nairobi is a hell-hole of incessant traffic and constant water shortages among other problems. All the land that Muzungu had set aside for road expansion and other infrastructure was grabbed.

River Nairobi is polluted and water catchment areas are covered in concrete. Kenya now has less forest area than Equatorial Guinea because many forest areas were grabbed.

And this is the man we have named everything after . SMH

Kenyans should never never complain about colonialism. We have inflicted all our problems on ourselves.

Other countries like Congo and perhaps even Uganda and Rwanda can complain about interference from outsiders. For some like Congo, you can conclude that colonialism was mostly bad.



Lolest!
#11 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 8:31:28 PM
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T-Bag wrote:
The white man came to Africa as missionaries and explorers but were soon sitting on a table dividing Africa amongst themselves. Here's a peep into how Europeans looted Africa of it wealth and sovereignty...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ1uo5jvpe8

Interesting video

The story of The Gambia and why it's such a narrow country. Never knew that

Mozambican Africans forced to grow cotton which was sold at low fixed prices. They starved because they didn't have food crops.

Interesting
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tycho
#12 Posted : Thursday, May 16, 2019 9:22:11 PM
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If our old prophets and leaders saw an iron snake and recommended that we cooperate with the colonialists then we could be defining the problem incorrectly.

The symbolism of iron, and that of a snake are keys that we should consider in their proper context - alchemy.

Given that traditional Africa was universalist and non racist,thinking along racial lines only takes us further from the truth we're supposed to use for a better life.
wukan
#13 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 9:54:41 AM
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tycho wrote:
If our old prophets and leaders saw an iron snake and recommended that we cooperate with the colonialists then we could be defining the problem incorrectly.

The symbolism of iron, and that of a snake are keys that we should consider in their proper context - alchemy.

Given that traditional Africa was universalist and non racist,thinking along racial lines only takes us further from the truth we're supposed to use for a better life.


Africans are today only 17% of the world population. Back then africans were like 5% of the world population so it was very easy to subdue such a minority. Our numbers were so few we couldn't even effectively occupy most of the land given the sheer geographical spread of Africa.


wukan
#14 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18:01 AM
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radiomast wrote:
@Wukan

The colonialists in Kenya built schools, hospitals, roads, housing, stadiums, railways, railway stations, farms, police stations, fire-stations, markets, airports, conserved foreasts, riverbeds and water towers.

Mwafrika would have done very little in comparison. He would have just lavished himself with all the tax payer money.

Wabeberu forced some of our grandparents to go to school or send their children to school at a time when many wanted their children to stay home and milk cows.

Then mwafrigha took over and it started to become a sheet-hole.

Kenyatta lived in London for 20 years. He had experienced what a modern, well managed city can look like if well planned. He could have used what he learned and done the same for Nairobi. He could have set aside land for road expansion, water retention, ............

Instead he came to Kenya and grabbed vast tracts of land in Nairobi and its environs and also beachfront property in Mombasa. Now Nairobi is a hell-hole of incessant traffic and constant water shortages among other problems. All the land that Muzungu had set aside for road expansion and other infrastructure was grabbed.

River Nairobi is polluted and water catchment areas are covered in concrete. Kenya now has less forest area than Equatorial Guinea because many forest areas were grabbed.

And this is the man we have named everything after . SMH

Kenyans should never never complain about colonialism. We have inflicted all our problems on ourselves.

Other countries like Congo and perhaps even Uganda and Rwanda can complain about interference from outsiders. For some like Congo, you can conclude that colonialism was mostly bad.





Unlike other Africans who were allowed indirect rule Kenya territory was being transformed into a white-man's country and the economic system that prevails in Britain including the class system(upper, middle, middle-lower and lower). To achieve this you must have those who have capital(landed gentry) and those who provide labour. Kenyatta in his 20 years in Britain must have seen how the British system works and that's he came back determined to have royal blood by marrying the daughter of senior chief and grabbing a large estate.

The colonial infrastructure was established to serve a tiny minority and that continues to date. It always baffles me why we keep on building a European-Western civilization instead of an authentic african civilization.


tycho
#15 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 11:58:48 AM
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We've been unable to build an authentic African civilization because we have forgotten what being an African means.

Besides, global civilizations had also degenerated to iron by the time the colonialists were arriving.

It remains for current and future African thinkers to reestablish the proper foundations.
radiomast
#16 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 4:48:52 PM
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wukan wrote:




Unlike other Africans who were allowed indirect rule Kenya territory was being transformed into a white-man's country and the economic system that prevails in Britain including the class system(upper, middle, middle-lower and lower). To achieve this you must have those who have capital(landed gentry) and those who provide labour. Kenyatta in his 20 years in Britain must have seen how the British system works and that's he came back determined to have royal blood by marrying the daughter of senior chief and grabbing a large estate.

The colonial infrastructure was established to serve a tiny minority and that continues to date. It always baffles me why we keep on building a European-Western civilization instead of an authentic african civilization.




I understand that colonialism as a whole was meant to benefit the British empire. But some of the infrastructure built during the colonial period was for the benefit of Mwafrika. Schools, hospitals, stadiums, etc. In fact when Kenyatta hospital was first built in 1901, it was called Native Civil hospital.

Reason is that British Muzungu had a long term view. He knew that colony would not work if the natives were unhealthy and ill-educated.

Stadiums and sports grounds were built to keep the natives from negative activities like crime or from rioting in the streets to demand independence. Roads were built to get people to their jobs. Public housing was built because workers are more productive if their living quarters are livable. ....................

We should have built on this momentum at Independence. But Mwafrigha has no long term view and decided to focus on enriching himself and his cronies.
tycho
#17 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2019 6:26:42 PM
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tycho
#18 Posted : Saturday, May 18, 2019 2:53:09 PM
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The worst thing that happened to us was being convinced that the visitors had superior knowledge and that we needed their social and political institutions.

Sample this case https://www.theguardian....obert-baldwin-sam-little
hardwood
#19 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 3:31:42 PM
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Interesting read on why for so long Africa wasn't colonized despite it being next door to Europe (unlike Americas, asia and australia).


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It might seem a little strange to understand that despite being on Europe's doorstep, Africa was the Continent that, with a few exceptions, was pretty much left to last on the imperial check list. The reasons for this had to do with various geographical and environmental challenges which were severe enough to curtail most European endeavours to penetrate the Dark Continent despite its physical proximity. Asia and the Americas appeared to offer more lucrative economic opportunities in more benign conditions. Besides, once Europeans acquired enough maritime technological skill and expertise it was often easier to do business with parts of the World that could be accessed by the sea or had favourable winds to and/or from them as destinations. The Trade Winds across the Atlantic made it easier for ships to go from East to West than it was to go from North to South. The Doldrums beneath West Africa became notoriously difficult to navigate through safely. In time, Europeans came to the conclusion that it was easier to cross the Atlantic to South America before catching the Southern Hemisphere's Trade Winds back towards the Cape of Good Hope and then they could catch the Indian Ocean's Trade Winds and pretty much bypass Africa completely and access the lucrative Asian spice markets directly.

Land access to Africa was equally problematic from the North with the Sahara Desert presenting a formidable natural obstacle to Europeans. It did not help that the more palatable Mediterranean Coastline was occupied by more formidable Arab and Ottoman societies which were strong enough to compete with and repel European incursions for many centuries. These would act as conduits for limited trade opportunities from the African interior but even they had to deal with the difficulties of traversing the Sahara Desert and imposed their own costs and taxes on any goods coming out of Africa - if not consume these goods themselves. These Arab and Ottoman states tended to view Europe with suspicion and although not averse to trade did so only if it was to their own advantage.

Another barrier to entry was Africa's reputation as "The White Man's Grave". The one part of the Africa's Western coastline which is not desert is West Africa and the Congo's equatorial forests. The local populations had built up considerable natural defences and immunities to the myriad diseases and pathogens to be found in the area. Early European connections to West Africa would literally see them 'drop like flies' as they discovered themselves how harsh the conditions were to the European constitution and especially with its severely limited understanding of medical knowledge and especially the causes of disease. It would take centuries of scientific endeavour before Europeans would have enough understanding of prevention and treatment of diseases to be able to feel confident enough to stay in the region for extended periods of time.

Yet another barrier to European incursion was the formidable African societies that existed throughout most of the continent. Unlike the sparsely populated Americas or Australia, Africa was a densely populated Continent with many sophisticated societies well adapted to their environment and not cut off entirely from the rest of the World. The Arab cultures in particular brought many of the world's key technological and cultural advances to the attention of many African tribes - even if these were often used as a means by the Arabs to subdue and exploit African lands and peoples themselves. Still, many African societies were aware of concepts such as literacy, organised religion, iron-making and gunpowder. This meant that Europeans would not find Africans as easy to dominate and intimidate as they were able to do in other parts of the World. However, if there was one weakness to the African polity when Europeans did begin to show an interest in exploiting the resources of the Continent, it was the relative fractured nature of African societies. There were so many competing tribes and societies that it was hard for Africa to offer a sustained and consistent level of resistance to these Europeans. These divisions would often fatally undermine the Continent's ability to defend itself.

So Europe was more than aware of the existence of Africa and Africans but with formidable Islamic buffer civilisations, the Sahara Desert, a hostile and difficult to reach coastline, disease and an often densely populated and sophisticated indigenous populations it perhaps becomes less surprising that Africa took so long to come to the attention of Europe's empires. Perhaps it is something of a complement to the Continent that it was the last part of the World that was systematically divided up by the Europeans - only after they had established colonies, settlements or trading relationships with the rest of the World did they turn to 'The Dark Continent'.



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#20 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 6:31:13 PM
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Even when they discovered all these things - they couldn’t stand Malaria. It didn’t just happen here but also in New Guinea. The came but didn’t stay. Not as they did in the Americans, Australia and New Zealand.
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