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Vallerrie
#1 Posted : Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:36:44 AM
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I have a couple of friends who are affected by this and it got me wondering, what hope is there for aspiring developers if the biggest and best funded tech firm in the country cannot find work for junior devs?
I thought Software Engineers were in top demand worldwide?
NewMoney
#2 Posted : Saturday, September 21, 2019 12:57:49 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Vallerrie wrote:
I have a couple of friends who are affected by this and it got me wondering, what hope is there for aspiring developers if the biggest and best funded tech firm in the country cannot find work for junior devs?
I thought Software Engineers were in top demand worldwide?


Experienced software engineers are in top demand. You need at least 2 to 4 years of solid experience to enter this league and if you are passionate you can get this by the time you finish University. As far as I know, the mistake Andela made was thinking they can hire inexperienced but smart guys with zero computer science knowledge and train them to work for global companies, that has never worked, programming is not for everyone and even some very smart people just don't get it, that is why it is always better to go for people with solid experience.

Unfortunately it looks like Andela will have to pivot from their original mission of training Africa how to program. Now they are going for experienced guys and I suspect they will soon need to bring in eastern Europe or Indian developers to help with the workload.
Vallerrie
#3 Posted : Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:13:19 PM
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NewMoney wrote:
Vallerrie wrote:
I have a couple of friends who are affected by this and it got me wondering, what hope is there for aspiring developers if the biggest and best funded tech firm in the country cannot find work for junior devs?
I thought Software Engineers were in top demand worldwide?


Experienced software engineers are in top demand. You need at least 2 to 4 years of solid experience to enter this league and if you are passionate you can get this by the time you finish University. As far as I know, the mistake Andela made was thinking they can hire inexperienced but smart guys with zero computer science knowledge and train them to work for global companies, that has never worked, programming is not for everyone and even some very smart people just don't get it, that is why it is always better to go for people with solid experience.

Unfortunately it looks like Andela will have to pivot from their original mission of training Africa how to program. Now they are going for experienced guys and I suspect they will soon need to bring in eastern Europe or Indian developers to help with the workload.


Totally agree, but who’s gonna take the responsibility of moving these junior engineers to senior level?
Mike Ock
#4 Posted : Saturday, September 21, 2019 1:38:22 PM
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Vallerrie wrote:
NewMoney wrote:
Vallerrie wrote:
I have a couple of friends who are affected by this and it got me wondering, what hope is there for aspiring developers if the biggest and best funded tech firm in the country cannot find work for junior devs?
I thought Software Engineers were in top demand worldwide?


Experienced software engineers are in top demand. You need at least 2 to 4 years of solid experience to enter this league and if you are passionate you can get this by the time you finish University. As far as I know, the mistake Andela made was thinking they can hire inexperienced but smart guys with zero computer science knowledge and train them to work for global companies, that has never worked, programming is not for everyone and even some very smart people just don't get it, that is why it is always better to go for people with solid experience.

Unfortunately it looks like Andela will have to pivot from their original mission of training Africa how to program. Now they are going for experienced guys and I suspect they will soon need to bring in eastern Europe or Indian developers to help with the workload.


Totally agree, but who’s gonna take the responsibility of moving these junior engineers to senior level?


Itabidi wajipange sasa. Maybe they could try contribute to some open source projects like Wordpress, Linux or Raspberry Pi.
dsktop
#5 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 12:44:09 PM
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Vallerrie wrote:
I have a couple of friends who are affected by this and it got me wondering, what hope is there for aspiring developers if the biggest and best funded tech firm in the country cannot find work for junior devs?
I thought Software Engineers were in top demand worldwide?


There is a gap......Just not local
LinkedIn is training Food Truck drivers et al..

https://www.cnbc.com/201...and%20recruiting%20ranks.
Systemd22
#6 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 1:12:33 PM
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It's unfortunate.

Perhaps they should try and develop their own apps that address common issues in our community such as:

-Gated estate management (bills, vacant houses etc)
-Dating sites (capitalise on the weaknesses of the existing ones in kenya)
-School management systems
-'logistics in demand' --> find space in logistics e.g I can take your clothes to the dry cleaner for you, i can do the supermarket shopping for you
-package the whole back to school stress as a package: Uniform, text books,exercise books, new CBC stationery, school box,supermarket shopping, possibly transport as well. If done well the developer does not need to own these products beforehand.

Therefore:
-let them become their own start ups
-Users are not interested in the seniority of the developer so long as the solution is reliable and secure.
-They have to be passionate about their career path, its continuous learning in this field and hands on otherwise it will be frustrating..

All the best them.

Vallerrie
#7 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 2:15:47 PM
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Joined: 11/1/2012
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Systemd22 wrote:
It's unfortunate.

Perhaps they should try and develop their own apps that address common issues in our community such as:

-Gated estate management (bills, vacant houses etc)
-Dating sites (capitalise on the weaknesses of the existing ones in kenya)
-School management systems
-'logistics in demand' --> find space in logistics e.g I can take your clothes to the dry cleaner for you, i can do the supermarket shopping for you
-package the whole back to school stress as a package: Uniform, text books,exercise books, new CBC stationery, school box,supermarket shopping, possibly transport as well. If done well the developer does not need to own these products beforehand.

Therefore:
-let them become their own start ups
-Users are not interested in the seniority of the developer so long as the solution is reliable and secure.
-They have to be passionate about their career path, its continuous learning in this field and hands on otherwise it will be frustrating..

All the best them.



This makes so much sense
NewMoney
#8 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 3:12:56 PM
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Joined: 3/1/2019
Posts: 111
Location: Nairobi
dsktop wrote:
Vallerrie wrote:
I have a couple of friends who are affected by this and it got me wondering, what hope is there for aspiring developers if the biggest and best funded tech firm in the country cannot find work for junior devs?
I thought Software Engineers were in top demand worldwide?


There is a gap......Just not local
LinkedIn is training Food Truck drivers et al..

https://www.cnbc.com/201...d%20recruiting%20ranks.



Have you ever tried to hire qualified software engineers locally, they are there but they won't take less than 300k, a good percentage are bringing in over 500k and the elites have no limit literally

So the gap is there locally, otherwise, these ones would be desperate to take small salaries like other engineering graduates (mechanical, electrical)
NewMoney
#9 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2019 3:18:40 PM
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Joined: 3/1/2019
Posts: 111
Location: Nairobi
Systemd22 wrote:
It's unfortunate.

Perhaps they should try and develop their own apps that address common issues in our community such as:

-Gated estate management (bills, vacant houses etc)
-Dating sites (capitalise on the weaknesses of the existing ones in kenya)
-School management systems
-'logistics in demand' --> find space in logistics e.g I can take your clothes to the dry cleaner for you, i can do the supermarket shopping for you
-package the whole back to school stress as a package: Uniform, text books,exercise books, new CBC stationery, school box,supermarket shopping, possibly transport as well. If done well the developer does not need to own these products beforehand.

Therefore:
-let them become their own start ups
-Users are not interested in the seniority of the developer so long as the solution is reliable and secure.
-They have to be passionate about their career path, its continuous learning in this field and hands on otherwise it will be frustrating..

All the best them.



This is the only way good software engineers are born and it is the most important indicator of future success you can get from a developer's CV, by trying to build own apps, they learn how to wrestle problems and think like a user, manager, engineer and programmer. Hawa wengine wanafikiria there is a shortcut training through bootcamps and on-the-work training should just go to other less intensive fields like networking, system administration e.t.c
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